Fully Vaccinated until…?

[Thewiseoneincognito]

With the ‘sacking’ of 60,000 care workers today due to being unvaccinated it’s got me wondering how this will play out moving forward and what system would need to be adopted to manage and monitor people’s vaccination status as the months roll on.

What will happen to those that are fully vaccinated now but who may choose to not have a booster? At what point will people be deemed unvaccinated, or is that it? Two doses and irrespective of waning immunity you’re still to be considered double vaxxed for…life?

As time goes on and immunity wanes in younger age groups will they still be motivated to take boosters if life has seemingly regained a sense of ‘normality’ without restrictions in place? I can’t help but feel having varying levels of immunity throughout the population is not going to be a maintainable equilibrium long term, after all we would be creating opportunities for the virus to thrive as vaccination wears off.

Will employers ever be in a position to sack you if you’re immunity has ‘waned’ and hasn’t been boosted? Thoughts?

@Mojoj

It's completely shocking that people have lost their livelihood because they exercised their human rights to decide what goes into their bodies. Anyone who thinks they deserved to be sacked better hope they don't have any elderly parents needing care anytime soon.....

Anybody with the means to go private, will vote with their feet. As if people would want to entrust their extremely vulnerable loved ones to an unsafe care home. Whatever the reason for the poor safety - staffing issues, unvaccinated staff, both, or something else.

If only people ranting about care homes owing people a livelihood (and sorry but care home work is not a version of UBI), focused their energies on calling for better pay and working conditions.

OP =,why do you keep name changing and going on about the same thing? The booster is just the same vaccine.

Bumbley, it's bedtime. I'm too tired to find it now but other people posted some helpful clearly explained information and links yesterday. Studies suggest unvaccinated are more likely to catch and transmit.

@AnyFucker clap for carers has become crap on carers.

If it’s going to be mandated it will need to be a robust system with checks and balances in place for everyone.

Like I said, it will be like it is now for flu vax. I work in the NHS. Every year there is a huge push for everyone to be vaccinated. All over our personal emails, our intranet, our local social medias, raised at staff meetings etc etc. But not compulsory. It should not be compulsory.

Anyway. Goodnight All.

I'm going to end up dreaming about British exceptionalism tonight, aren't I.

Oh well.

@Tealightsandd

Bumbley, it's bedtime. I'm too tired to find it now but other people posted some helpful clearly explained information and links yesterday. Studies suggest unvaccinated are more likely to catch and transmit.

Yes, and other studies have shown that when someone is infected there is no significant difference in transmission if they’re vaccinated/unvaccinated. I linked to them too. The vaccine is much better at reducing serious illness in the individual than it is at preventing infection/transmission.

We should appreciate what it can do and stop trying to implement ridiculous policies based on things that it actually isn’t that good at.

Like I said, it will be like it is now for flu vax. I work in the NHS. Every year there is a huge push for everyone to be vaccinated. All over our personal emails, our intranet, our local social medias, raised at staff meetings etc etc. But not compulsory. It should not be compulsory.

Agree

Carers sacked ?..... there weren't enough in the first place

So what next? People dying through negligence due to being short staffed? Remaining careers resigning because they are too stressed and worn out trying to keep up with the workload?

I think that is a likely outcome

@xxxGirlCrushxxx

Carers sacked ?..... there weren't enough in the first place

So what next? People dying through negligence due to being short staffed? Remaining careers resigning because they are too stressed and worn out trying to keep up with the workload?

Yep, no one cares about that though - because it's not really about the safety and welfare of the vulnerable, it's about punishing non-compliance.

If the government really gave a shit about the most vulnerable they wouldn't have insisted on discharging covid positive patients back into care homes - or they would've made sure carers were provided with proper PPE, not bin bags (probably sourced by Hancocks mate)

Johnson has never denied his 'let the bodies pile high' comment - anyone seriously believe this is about the vulnerable?

@underneaththeash

OP =,why do you keep name changing and going on about the same thing? The booster is just the same vaccine.

Name changing? You must be new on here- I don’t name change and this aspect of the vaccine I haven’t discussed at length before so you must be mistaking me for someone else, definitely not going on about the same thing if you read my opening post properly? Take a look at my other Covid posts- they’re quite extensive.

Also I know what the booster is, what’s inside the syringe is irrelevant it’s what happens if you don’t have a booster which is my point, how will that be regulated?

@AnyFucker

If it’s going to be mandated it will need to be a robust system with checks and balances in place for everyone.

Like I said, it will be like it is now for flu vax. I work in the NHS. Every year there is a huge push for everyone to be vaccinated. All over our personal emails, our intranet, our local social medias, raised at staff meetings etc etc. But not compulsory. It should not be compulsory.

But it will be compulsory that’s the thing- so how will this be regulated? After two jabs the boosts aren’t mandatory even though the science shows efficacy wane? Essentially we could find ourselves having to take boosters to keep our jobs (I’m not NHS but this will no doubt creep into all industries eventually)

Essentially we could find ourselves having to take boosters to keep our jobs (I’m not NHS but this will no doubt creep into all industries eventually)

Efficacy wanes after 12 weeks so unless we're all on a constant vaccine conveyor belt I don't see how this can possibly be sustainable.

I would think eventually the government will acknowledge only the vulnerable need to be vaccinated - then the hysteria will die down.

I would think eventually the government will acknowledge only the vulnerable need to be vaccinated - then the hysteria will die down.

I thought we were getting there but then they mandated it for care workers here and other countries are bringing in even more restrictions (despite already having mask mandates and vaccine passports) so it feels like it’s still going.

@lemmein

Essentially we could find ourselves having to take boosters to keep our jobs (I’m not NHS but this will no doubt creep into all industries eventually)

Efficacy wanes after 12 weeks so unless we're all on a constant vaccine conveyor belt I don't see how this can possibly be sustainable.

I would think eventually the government will acknowledge only the vulnerable need to be vaccinated - then the hysteria will die down.

Agreed. This is a completely untenable arrangement for reasons you've stated.

They've obviously gotten themselves in a pickle and have no way out other than staying the course (like the rest of the covid response).

My hunch is that the Government would like very much to leave 2-dosed people alone, but the waning efficacy has put them in a difficult spot with respect to their policies towards the entirely unvaccinated.

@lemmein

Essentially we could find ourselves having to take boosters to keep our jobs (I’m not NHS but this will no doubt creep into all industries eventually)

Efficacy wanes after 12 weeks so unless we're all on a constant vaccine conveyor belt I don't see how this can possibly be sustainable.

I would think eventually the government will acknowledge only the vulnerable need to be vaccinated - then the hysteria will die down.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/over-60s-face-ban-from-europe-unless-nhs-app-shows-covid-booster-jab-n7l3t69wb

You really don’t think this will be rolled out universally? How many times have the goal posts been moved?

Fair point. Remember when the government said once everybody is vaccinated. Now we must have the boosters. Then the annual…

Go further back - remember when they said that not every adult would need the vaccine, just the vulnerable? Remember when they said this was an adult vaccine, children wouldn’t need it? Yep, goalposts keep moving.

@bumbleymummy

Go further back - remember when they said that not every adult would need the vaccine, just the vulnerable? Remember when they said this was an adult vaccine, children wouldn’t need it? Yep, goalposts keep moving.

Specifically what Matt Hancock said was this is not a vaccine for children, and that it not had been tested on children.

@Refractory I agree the initial plan was two jabs would be enough to move on from this without any need for future intervention. Convincing healthy younger people to maintain boosters is going to be tricky- the vaccine effects can not be denied looking at the data so far but that’s through a high uptake on the proviso two jabs would be enough.

How would our rates look if 40-50% of the under 50’s didn’t take boosters? Would this impact our approach going forward in terms of mitigation’s?

It’s too soon to say now but we need to be pragmatic about the potential implications of vaccine wane in the coming months and how that affects the virus’s behaviour.

If waned immunity does become problematic should we consider regulating vaccination status? What does this mean for the fully unvaccinated?

@Tealightsandd

Truly shocking to think there were so many - 60,000 - unsuitable people working with our most vulnerable. Unprepared to take life and health saving vaccines to protect their vulnerable residents.

If ever there was an argument for improved pay and working conditions it's this.

We need to value this vital job - the care of our most vulnerable - and ensure we employ only those suited to the role.

Our most vulnerable deserve safe care.

Your an idiot.