NHS chief and Covid admissions stats turn out to be false

[Againstmachine]

So we have the new head of NHS England stating that admissions are 14 times higher that last year, when they are actually significantly lower.

So we now have someone who is eithier incompetent or a liar which is it.

@bumbleymummy

If that was the case then we wouldn’t see a fall in hospital admissions.

Except of course we know the vaccine programme is preventing a lot of hospitalisation.

Checkmate.

Yes, it is. Is that even up for discussion?

We have still seen a connection between cases rising/falling and hospitalisation figures. If cases were not genuinely falling we would not see hospitalisations falling.

Deaths arent falling

Yet. They’re always a few weeks behind. And the elderly still have the highest deaths. Hopefully the booster rollout will help with that. Although, sadly, some will still die.

Well deaths arent just eldery through.
the children who died hadnt had chance to be vaccinated, under 12 still arent due vaccination and most over 12 havent had opportunity yet.

Children dont get covid FALSE
Children dont spread covid FALSE
Children dont get ill FALSE some do
Children dont die FALSE some do
Only vulnerable children die FALSE
long covid is just a cough for a few weeks FALSE
You cant get reinfected FALSE

Can you blame us for being doubtful when all the government statements have shown to be incorrect.
and data is manipulated to suit.

I know yoy dont have concerns thats your choice but dont belittle people who have valid concerns

@PAFMO,

I am struggling to find the comment but, if it was said in November about August, she is still not telling the truth:

‘The NHS is running hot’…if you are using the present tense, why cherry pick out-of-date data.

‘Running hot’ ? Really, with 700 Corona admissions? I would hate to see what happened if it really ‘ran hot’.

‘The NHS is running hot’…if you are using the present tense, why cherry pick out-of-date data

Patrick Vallance and Chris whitty did exactly same.

Is the running hot quote different to the article?

Ie one verbal and without confirming it was August, if so then that is misleading

The running hot was present tense and the interview it wasn't mentioned about August but clarified later.

Basically she realised she had been caught out.

Here is a report

inews.co.uk/news/covid-booster-vaccine-first-jab-nhs-patients-hospital-last-year-1289141

@Againstmachine,

To lie clearly conjugated differently these days:

I misspeak
You lie
He lies
We misspeak
They lie.

Got it.

Conjugates

What she said was correct in the context.
Actually I think the media have done a great job with the statistics mostly

@Againstmachine

The running hot was present tense and the interview it wasn't mentioned about August but clarified later.

Basically she realised she had been caught out.

In that case yes it was right it was pulled up and fact check site was ok

Actually I think the media have done a great job with the statistics mostly

Even over the last few days where they kept reporting cases were rising even though they’ve been falling?

Cases on rise again as higher today than last thursday

Does anyone know where I can see the full transcript of what was said?

She is being slated for it, but if her comments were edited and full content and context not given, then that seems hugely unfair.

@morticiamarkle

Does anyone know where I can see the full transcript of what was said?

She is being slated for it, but if her comments were edited and full content and context not given, then that seems hugely unfair.

You need the Health Service Journal comment piece alongside a transcript.

I do think she got all the things she wanted to say muddled when doing the interview and it lost clarity, which is why it was later clarified. But it definitely isn’t true to say that clarification only came about because she was caught out lying. The comment piece is extremely clear about it being August and they were the correct figures to be using for the context they were used in. They aren’t at all linked to the NHS running hot now or the challenging next 100 days.

I realise Amanda Pritchett was talking about August figures, but surely it's valid to wonder exactly why she was doing that in November?

She must have realised the way it would be reported - as indeed it has - so what was the point unless it was an attempt to stoke up a bit more worry?

I realise Amanda Pritchett was talking about August figures, but surely it's valid to wonder exactly why she was doing that in November?

Yep it has no relevance taking about this now.

It was probably done on purpose.

Clarification after the event seems very gaslighty to me, I didn't really say this or means it.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I realise Amanda Pritchett was talking about August figures, but surely it's valid to wonder exactly why she was doing that in November?

She must have realised the way it would be reported - as indeed it has - so what was the point unless it was an attempt to stoke up a bit more worry?

Because it was the latest available figures for the point she was trying to make about how much has been done in difficult circumstances during the last 100 days.

I’m pretty sure the point was supposed to be a bit of a morale booster for healthcare staff before we head into a winter that in all likelihood is going to be about as bad as anyone can remember.

It was the latest available figures for the point she was trying to make about how much has been done in difficult circumstances during the last 100 days

Huh?? I'm no expert in NHS numbers, but surely their CEO has more up to date figures than that on the number of people in hospital?

Certainly the well informed posters on the stats threads seem to know, so I'm not sure why the CEO wouldn't?

It’s not the number of people in hospital that was the point of the stats though, was it? As has been said upthread, it was the number of diagnostic tests and other treatments that were carried out.

Do the people of Data have stats for that because I’d be more than happy to accept I’m wrong if they can find the published stats for September or October.

Because it was the latest available figures for the point she was trying to make about how much has been done in difficult circumstances during the last 100 days.

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That's not true. You can check the government's own covid portal, this information is fairly up to date.