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Infecting children to protect adults - yay or nay?

293 replies

PrincessNutNuts · 31/10/2021 12:07

"There is an argument for allowing the virus to circulate amongst children
which could provide broader immunity to the children and boost immunity in
adults.”

From the JCVI minutes.

What about you?

Are you in favour of a policy of infecting children to protect adults?

Ok with children suffering illness, going to hospital and dying to protect adults?

Yay or nay?

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rrhuth · 31/10/2021 22:41

Well, they don't. They make you less likely to catch and spread it, but they certainly don't stop it. I was vaccinated when I caught Covid from my vaccinated work colleague. This sort of comment (from @Waxonwaxoff0) is pure ignorance, just completely illogical.

Vaccines reduce transmission. Scientific fact.
The fact some people don't understand scientific facts doesn't change those facts.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 31/10/2021 22:42

@noblegiraffe the odds are so small that I'm confident in saying he won't. Just like I'm confident in saying I'll never win the lottery!

This entire time I imagined that when we caught Covid it would be like a mild cold for us. And it was. I'm happy for both DS and I to be exposed to Covid again and I'm not concerned about us becoming very ill.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 31/10/2021 22:44

@rrhuth

Well, they don't. They make you less likely to catch and spread it, but they certainly don't stop it. I was vaccinated when I caught Covid from my vaccinated work colleague. This sort of comment (from *@Waxonwaxoff0*) is pure ignorance, just completely illogical.

Vaccines reduce transmission. Scientific fact.
The fact some people don't understand scientific facts doesn't change those facts.

Er, that's exactly what I said. I said that vaccines reduce the chances of catching and spreading Covid, but they do not stop it. What is ignorant about that? You just said the exact same thing.
BonnesVacances · 31/10/2021 22:46

Lol! PP saying they wouldn't mind their DC getting it would soon change their tune if their DC developed Long Covid. Hmm

Appalling strategy from the government which will bite them on the arse like all their other poorly-thought-out strategies. They're probably banking on that being someone else's problem though.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 31/10/2021 22:47

@rrhuth

Well, they don't. They make you less likely to catch and spread it, but they certainly don't stop it. I was vaccinated when I caught Covid from my vaccinated work colleague. This sort of comment (from *@Waxonwaxoff0*) is pure ignorance, just completely illogical.

Vaccines reduce transmission. Scientific fact.
The fact some people don't understand scientific facts doesn't change those facts.

And what is ignorant and illogical about the fact that I caught Covid after being vaccinated? I know they reduce transmission, which is what I said, but they are not a bulletproof protection against catching it, are they?
rrhuth · 31/10/2021 22:50

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@noblegiraffe the odds are so small that I'm confident in saying he won't. Just like I'm confident in saying I'll never win the lottery!

This entire time I imagined that when we caught Covid it would be like a mild cold for us. And it was. I'm happy for both DS and I to be exposed to Covid again and I'm not concerned about us becoming very ill.[/quote]
Comparing the odds of winning the lottery with the odds of long covid is some pretty wild covid minimisation.

Winning the lottery = 1 in 14 million
Long covid = up to 1 in 7

theemperorhasnoclothes · 31/10/2021 22:54

Can anyone tell me why Dingwall who is a sociologist was providing advice about the best way for children to get immunity and the relative merits of natural vs vaccine-induced infection?.

As far as I'm aware he has no medical or public health expertise at all.

Was he a friend with a Tory minister or something?

nocoolnamesleft · 31/10/2021 22:54

@Mosky

It's not chicken pox which as far as I know has no lasting effects on anyone who gets it as a child. Covid can cause serious complications in a minority of children.
I've seen chicken pox land children in intensive care...
Waxonwaxoff0 · 31/10/2021 22:56

@rrhuth Long Covid can be symptoms that last for an extra couple of weeks. My smell and taste took over a month to return when I had it, does that mean I had Long Covid?

I'm not, and never have been, scared of Covid or Long Covid. I don't really know why that's such a big deal, it doesn't affect anyone else so what's the problem? I've had my vaccines.

rrhuth · 31/10/2021 23:00

And what is ignorant and illogical about the fact that I caught Covid after being vaccinated? What is illogical and ignorant is using one point of anecdata in a conversation about vaccines at a population level.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 31/10/2021 23:02

@rrhuth

And what is ignorant and illogical about the fact that I caught Covid after being vaccinated? What is illogical and ignorant is using one point of anecdata in a conversation about vaccines at a population level.
No. It was a response to a statement that said "vaccines stop you getting Covid." They don't. They can reduce the chance, but they don't necessarily stop it completely.
rrhuth · 31/10/2021 23:03

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@rrhuth Long Covid can be symptoms that last for an extra couple of weeks. My smell and taste took over a month to return when I had it, does that mean I had Long Covid?

I'm not, and never have been, scared of Covid or Long Covid. I don't really know why that's such a big deal, it doesn't affect anyone else so what's the problem? I've had my vaccines.[/quote]
The fact you are personally a COVID minimizer is your own look out but medically and scientifically speaking you're in the wrong.

Your personal views do not align with known scientific facts.

You are entitled to hold unscientific views, of course, but those views themselves are not worthy of respect.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 31/10/2021 23:04

@rrhuth

And what is ignorant and illogical about the fact that I caught Covid after being vaccinated? What is illogical and ignorant is using one point of anecdata in a conversation about vaccines at a population level.
And it's not one point, is it. Look at the amount of people who have caught Covid after being vaccinated.
Waxonwaxoff0 · 31/10/2021 23:06

@rrhuth not a Covid minimiser at all. I'm just not scared of it on a personal level. Not sure what scientific fact that is going against. I'm not denying the severity of it for some people. All I've said is that I'm not bothered about catching it myself.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 31/10/2021 23:10

@rrhuth in fact, can you tell me what unscientific views I hold that I've said on this thread? That you can catch Covid after being vaccinated, which you can?

rrhuth · 31/10/2021 23:10

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@rrhuth not a Covid minimiser at all. I'm just not scared of it on a personal level. Not sure what scientific fact that is going against. I'm not denying the severity of it for some people. All I've said is that I'm not bothered about catching it myself.[/quote]
Good-o.

There are people unconcerned about lung cancer who continue to smoke. Their views are utterly irrelevant in terms of what needs to be done about cutting lung cancer deaths.

rrhuth · 31/10/2021 23:12

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@rrhuth in fact, can you tell me what unscientific views I hold that I've said on this thread? That you can catch Covid after being vaccinated, which you can?[/quote]
You compared covid risk to winning the lottery Grin

You don't consider long covid to be as serious as the medical profession state, which is covid minimisation.

Skysblue · 31/10/2021 23:15

When this generation grows up, has a think about how we behaved in the pandemic, looks at our incompetence re climate change / plastics / landfill and the pensions crisis…

There is zero chance of them paying out our pensions. I expect some pretty draconian wealth taxes when I’m old.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 31/10/2021 23:18

Nowhere did I say that Long Covid isn't serious. But not all cases of long Covid will be serious. Some will, some won't. The 1 in 7 chance could be a bit of extra fatigue for a few weeks or a more serious longer term issue that prevents someone from working, etc. A breakdown of stats would probably give a clearer picture.

Watapalava · 31/10/2021 23:22

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rrhuth · 31/10/2021 23:25

@Waxonwaxoff0

Nowhere did I say that Long Covid isn't serious. But not all cases of long Covid will be serious. Some will, some won't. The 1 in 7 chance could be a bit of extra fatigue for a few weeks or a more serious longer term issue that prevents someone from working, etc. A breakdown of stats would probably give a clearer picture.
This type of comment is an example of covid minimisation, a form of 'rationalisation' designed to downplay the statistics that medical professionals and scientific experts are stating as being of serious concern.
noblegiraffe · 31/10/2021 23:26

their wfh days

Shows how observant you are if you haven’t even managed to figure out my job Hmm

Waxonwaxoff0 · 31/10/2021 23:32

@Watapalava

Wax

I’d save it

Ruth, Noble and princess are obsessed with covid doom and gloom

They ah e to fill their wfh days somehow

I'm going to bed now Grin

Not sure how spending my days worrying about getting Long Covid will do anything to help anyone, but clearly that's what I'm meant to be doing!

BewareTheLibrarians · 31/10/2021 23:32

The thing that worries me about more serious long covid is the sheer randomness of who it affects. Ds was completely healthy, slim, fit, no underlying conditions and we’re now into month 20 of his heart being affected and inflammatory problems cropping up every couple of weeks. His friend developed asthma after covid, she also had no underlying conditions. Other friends of his, as most kids do, got it with no symptoms and no problems after. Why him and her? Why is there no effort put in to understand why some kids have it much worse than others?

At this point, it’s not possible to say “my kid’s perfectly healthy so I don’t have to worry.” The media and government constantly push the idea that healthy children are not at risk which is incredibly frustrating when you are affected and there’s no way to get your voice heard.

And even more frustrating to see herd immunity pushed on kids, some of whom will be damaged by such a reckless policy.

(Remember that 14% affected for more than 15 weeks? And 1 in 12 school children being infected?)

Dishhh · 31/10/2021 23:43

@Watapalava

Wax

I’d save it

Ruth, Noble and princess are obsessed with covid doom and gloom

They ah e to fill their wfh days somehow

And Wax and Watapalava have been minimisers since ... forever. You, Palava, are particularly unpleasant - especially your post earlier on this thread. That was minimisation at its very, very worst as it involved children.