"Sustainable pressure" - ?new law for MP's?

[s1h2o3na]

How about we push for a new law for MP's and their families that bans them from accessing private health care so that all their needs must be met by the NHS. Do you think this might change their opinion of "sustainable pressure" ??

What a horrible idea.

No you don't get to make a political point by controlling other people's lives.

Only one side of the House thinks the state of the NHS is acceptable.

@Tillysfad

What a horrible idea.

No you don't get to make a political point by controlling other people's lives.

so I'm presuming that you think the NHS is currently able to meet peoples needs?

No I just think your methods are unethical and toxic.

@Tillysfad

No I just think your methods are unethical and toxic.

but if those in power (who are the ones who ultimately control our access to healthcare) have the choice to pay and access care when those in our society most at risk/vulnerable are unable to do so ,can they truly appreciate the importance of change? Isn't it unethical that those of us who have spare funds get access over and above those who do not? I think ,having started out in health care being immensely proud of the NHS, I no longer feel it's fit for purpose .I've seen plenty of posts of people getting angry with GP's/A&E, hospital staff and GP's getting angry with each other - and however much all of us try and "do our bit" its no longer enough without us taking our anger to those who are meant to advocate for us politically (of any political persuasion) .

Stop thinking like a bully. There are ways to put political pressure on and this is not ethical or legitimate. So you lose my support and the support of many others.

Nigel Farage and Katie Hopkins might agree.

How do you know where mps are receiving treatment? Does this mean they'd have to divulge their medical records so the electorate can decide if they have behaved properly?

Just thinking the lovely Frank Field is terminally ill. He's in the HoL. Would you want him to make his records public so we can see what he's got and who treated him?

I understand how you feel op. The fact that Tory MPs don't have to use the NHS for their families means they are detached from reality. Where they do use it, it is for show - they retain their options.

But we shouldn't treat Tory MPs with the same contempt as they treat the rest of us, as two wrongs don't make a right.

But the NHS pressure is absolutely not ok, the country is in a pretty bad mess.

This would be no different to the equally abhorrent proposal on the (deleted) thread about rationing public healthcare.
Not nearly as clever as you think you are.
You can hate a government's policies
You can hate an individual's actions in that government.
The day you start with proposals like the OP's is the day you slipped so far down the moral high ground slope you're going to need a crane to get back up.

Does it make you feel better to fantasise about the children of random MPs suffering as some sort of tit for tat revenge?

What do you even mean by “push for a new law”? Do you understand how laws are passed?

I’ve got an idea. Instead of this nonsense, why don’t we have a system whereby ever so often (maybe every 5 years) there’s a some sort of vote where people can decide if their sitting MP is doing a good job or whether they want to go with an alternative. It might work.

The fact that they access private health shows that they don't trust or expect the NHS to meet their needs. They wouldn't wait 18 months for surgery but think it's acceptable for everybody else to. The problem is not that they don't know the impact this has on people, it's that they just don't care!

We could also do this with Education and make them use state schools.

@Arbitan

I’ve got an idea. Instead of this nonsense, why don’t we have a system whereby ever so often (maybe every 5 years) there’s a some sort of vote where people can decide if their sitting MP is doing a good job or whether they want to go with an alternative. It might work.

It would work if we weren't FPTP. But we all understand that the UK system is dreadfully unsatisfactory. Even those who benefit from its inherent unfairness are aware of this.

We have a broken political system in the UK, made worse by the increasing disengagement of the electorate.

Leave MPs families alone.

well I had kind of thought people might have understood i was being rather toungue in cheek in order to get a discussion but I have obviously over-estimated peoples capacity to understand the irony of the situation or that people are able to avoid going down the line of giving insults rather than providing a challenge! I am pro choice and have no problem with private healthcare or private schools but I think the majority of the population that doesn't have that choice deserves better . In palliative care in certain areas of the country we are seeing chemotherapy removed as an option for certain patients. It may only give them a few extra months but for some families this means everything, whether its the chance for a last birthday or Christmas together or the chance to say goodbye to family members who have struggled to return to the UK due to Covid. Pressure is nothing new in healthcare but as ever it's those at the bottom of the heap - the elderly, the mentally ill, those with learning disabilities, carers and from personal experience I can add children who have been referred to CAMHS - who are the first to suffer the consequences and after all these months of the sacrifices that many have made trying to protect the vulnerable I really want to ask why we then fail to give those same groups the services that allow them to live well and with dignity?

Are you the same poster who suggested rationing care to Covid patients yesterday? If not, do you think they were being serious? Because I do.

I understand irony but the terrifying irony is, these suggestions are often made seriously so how would anyone know?

If you know this wouldn't be a good look in practice you shouldn't suggest it because there are people out there who will run with it.

This is nonsense. I have private health insurance but it doesn't mean I don't care about the NHS.

A healthy society benefits is all, and even with private insurance, you still need the NHS in an emergency or to access the system.

Ditto education. It's in nobody's interests to have a crap education system.

Do I think that politicians forced to use the NHS and state schools would suddenly develop an increased interest in improving both - yes.

Do I therefore think that they should be forced to use the NHS and state schools - no.
But a few days observing an A&E with queues out the door, and talking to NHS staff about their current situation wouldn’t go amiss. Not that it would make any difference to policy.

@s1h2o3na

How about we push for a new law for MP's and their families that bans them from accessing private health care so that all their needs must be met by the NHS. Do you think this might change their opinion of "sustainable pressure" ??

Don’t be ridiculous. Everyone has the right to contribute to private healthcare if they wish to, and can afford to You can’t tell ine group of people they cant

If I were a politician. you'd ban my mum from having any private care. But she's not allowed state assistance because she doesn't get any income related benefits, and it seems that most people believe she should pay her own way. So you're saying she shouldn't be allowed to pay for private while being banned from using the state. That's going to kill her so I think maybe your policy needs reviewing. Unless of course you say she shouldn't pay for any of her own care and the state provide everything regardless of her financial situation? Well, then I think you might have won my vote!

@madisonbridges

If I were a politician. you'd ban my mum from having any private care. But she's not allowed state assistance because she doesn't get any income related benefits, and it seems that most people believe she should pay her own way. So you're saying she shouldn't be allowed to pay for private while being banned from using the state. That's going to kill her so I think maybe your policy needs reviewing. Unless of course you say she shouldn't pay for any of her own care and the state provide everything regardless of her financial situation? Well, then I think you might have won my vote!

Are you in another country to the UK? Last time I checked NHS treatment was available to all regardless of whether a person receives state income or how much personal income they receive. Or are you referring to social care that is means tested?

@mrshoho. The op referred to health care and my mum requires carers because of her mental health. So that's an interesting question, should her mental health problems fall under NHS care, and therefore be free, or social care, which she has to pay for?

Mental health services fall under the NHS. Woefully underfunded as the millions of patients and their families in the system can testify to. Personal social care whether for physical or mental health reasons, comes under social care and is means tested. A small percentage of people receive fully funded NHS continuing care.