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Vaccinating kids

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Hotcoffee10 · 21/10/2021 22:08

Just wondering, now it is clear that the vaccine does not provide long term protection is everyone still keen to vaccinate their kids? I was okay with DD having one (she is 12) but yearly injections for the rest of her life doesn’t sit well with me. Covid is presumably not going to magically vanish - so it seems once they have a jab there will be pressure to get it again next year. Anyone got any thoughts?

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APerfectSky · 22/10/2021 09:01

@Lostinacloud

This is all well and good and I’m more than happy that anyone who wants the vaccine and/or continual boosters for themselves and their children have access to them.

The MASSIVE problem I have with all of this is that it is not the free choice that it should be.

If not vaccinated it’s already pretty difficult to travel anywhere having to quarantine both ways in most countries and once domestic vaccine passports are introduced it then becomes pretty difficult to retain individual choice when your 13 year old can’t come to a restaurant with you for dinner because they haven’t had the latest booster due to your genuine concerns about benefit vs risk.

I know posters will soon be on this thread telling me that I’m worrying about nothing and that isn’t the case in the uk, but it’s absolutely coming. It’s already widely used across Europe, Canada and Australia and there’s even news today of the Vaccine minister saying that people probably will need proof of the booster to be able to travel next summer. As I’ve said on another thread already, I do NOT want access to everyday freedoms and leisure activities for myself and my children to be dependent on 6 monthly vaccinations.

Fine vaccinate people and demographics actually at risk of developing serious illness and who consent, for the rest it should be 100% freedom of choice with no restriction to life based upon that choice.

But this is a virus that has killed hundreds of thousands of people. Not everywhere in the world has been able to vaccinate as quickly as we have, there are many countries that have less than 50% vaccinated.

If you make the choice (and it is a choice) not to vaccinate yourself or your eligible children that's fine, but like with a lot of things in life, that will have consequences. Why would other countries want to allow free travel and increase the risk of spreading the virus to their potentially unvaccinated population because of a choice you made? You basically want to have your cake and eat it too.

Cattitudes · 22/10/2021 09:03

The younger secondary school children will always have been offered a nasal flu spray. Their cohort has been working up through the school system so even though say my oldest didn't have it in yr5, my youngest did. I am not sure if it is covid or just that there aren't as many secondary years to multiply up to now. If they had launched it with 14 school years all at once when it started it would have required a major recruitment and production headache. Adding an extra year or two every year isn't on the same scale of increase. Whether your children would have at some point been offered it or not I don't know but within the next few years the cohort who have always had the flu spray would be year 11 and still being offered the flu spray.

It is an invite not a summons.

fournonblondes · 22/10/2021 09:09

Good for you @ArseInTheCoOpWindow, I support your choice 100% and I hope that you would support mine not to vaccinate my young teen boys until more research has been undertaken, especially as they’ve both had covid with little effect.

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fournonblondes · 22/10/2021 09:13

I can remembered some friends shaming me and saying that they will take any COVID vaccine AVAILABLE not matter what. Now some vaccines are not approved in some countries. Glad I waited for what I thought it was better.

MareofBeasttown · 22/10/2021 09:19

So, if I have read this right, you want your unvaxxed children to be allowed to enter other countries AND also not have to pay for a test?

MareofBeasttown · 22/10/2021 09:21

I meant that for @Lostinacloud.

Lostinacloud · 22/10/2021 09:30

Exactly that @MareofBeasttown. Because contrary to some public opinion my unvaccinated children don’t harbour covid 24/7. And why just covid? I’ve never been asked for proof that my DC have been vaccinated against measles or Polio before travelling. Both do more damage to more demographics. I am fully aware that covid is currently a pandemic but equally other illnesses do still exist and have existed and this kind of rhetoric around vaccinations has never been in place before.
I don’t consider my children to be of any risk to anybody else. This rubbish that they are more likely to have it and become some kind of superspreader just because they haven’t been vaccinated makes zero sense. What about natural immunity? They’ve had it, they’ve built natural antibodies to it and when they next come across it they are highly unlikely to develop enough viral load to spread it because their body will already be dealing with it before it’s able to multiply. This is the same principle for vaccinated people so why are my unvaccinated DC any different?

MareofBeasttown · 22/10/2021 09:36

Yeah, I don't think other countries are going to allow unvaxxed Brits to enter without a PCR, just as Britain isn't allowing unvaxxed travellers to enter without a PCR. Works both ways.

I have just returned from a trip to India to see my family. These are the tests I had to do as a double vaxxed person:
(1) PCR before travelling
(2) PCR at the airport on landing
(3) Quarantine for 7 days
(4) PCR on second day of return.

The idea that your children are free to infect other countries with lower rates of vaccination.... Well.

Lostinacloud · 22/10/2021 10:04

But they’re not infecting anyone else, they don’t have covid! And if they do come down with symptoms I think that after nearly 2 years of this madness I am fully capable of keeping them at home until they are better without government interference.

Lostinacloud · 22/10/2021 10:05

And actually, testing before travel I don’t have a problem with, that makes total sense. Be sure that everyone is negative and then go and visit other parts of the world. Vaccination status should bear no influence.

MareofBeasttown · 22/10/2021 10:09

Ok, that's not what your earlier post indicated though.

In answer to the OP, my DC are teens but they have no problem with getting vaxxed yearly along with the flu shots they take anyway.

Lostinacloud · 22/10/2021 10:11

I’m fairly sure that my initial post spoke only of vaccination restrictions Hmm

MareofBeasttown · 22/10/2021 10:20

Sigh. I did ask and you responded "exactly that:". Anyway, if I misread your post I apologise. PCR tests are here to stay for everyone for the foreseeable future, and certainly for the unvaxxed. Which means travel is going to be for the well-off. But I see no alternative for the next few years.

frazzledali · 22/10/2021 10:22

@Hotcoffee10

Just wondering, now it is clear that the vaccine does not provide long term protection is everyone still keen to vaccinate their kids? I was okay with DD having one (she is 12) but yearly injections for the rest of her life doesn’t sit well with me. Covid is presumably not going to magically vanish - so it seems once they have a jab there will be pressure to get it again next year. Anyone got any thoughts?
'mission creep', please... yes, I've got thoughts, I think your questions are disingenuous and you're either dangerous or stupid, or, more likely, both.
Angel2702 · 22/10/2021 10:57

We have yearly flu vaccines. They are working on a nasal covid vaccine like the flu one. I imagine eventually they will be rolled into one and given at school the same as the flu nasal vaccine is currently.

BewareTheLibrarians · 22/10/2021 11:34

@TheChip
The low risk from infection for kids makes more sense to me since it is well known that the majority of kids are affected so little that without a test, there can be little to no evidence that they are actually infected. How that pans out long term, as in way down the line, I really don't know.
But that feels like a better option than a vaccine that could come with its own effects.

To me, there's a risk either way, but it feels with the vaccine that I could be potentially adding an unnecessary risk of negative effects that might never have happened without it.

I can understand that way of thinking. I have wondered before if it’s because having your child have the vaccine is an active choice, that parents would feel guilty if something went wrong, whereas you don’t deliberately infect your child with covid so feel less to blame.

However, I think it really depends on how much you’ve seen of the negative effects of covid. Like you, if all the kids you’ve seen have been fine, it must seem silly to be so keen to vaccinate. Then from my perspective, I’ve seen ds with long term effects which have changed his life, a friend on his football team (also previously perfectly healthy) was left with asthma, I work with a couple of kids who are on part time timetables due to fatigue/recurring illness after covid, and through the support group for long covid know other kids who are really struggling too.

The long and short of it is exactly as you said, we’re just making the best decisions for our families based on the info we have. Which is why it makes me so frustrated when people (not you! Smile ) misrepresent the risk of the vaccine as they’re effectively taking away one of the tools people can use to make an informed decision.

Mapletreelane · 22/10/2021 11:47

Seeing how poorly my unvaccinated 14 year old son has been, compared to me (double vaccinated and absolutely no symptoms) I am really frustrated that the decsion took so long to roll out vaccines to kids. He's not in a good way at all and i am fine. He's upset he couldn't have the vaccine in time. Both kids will be having their vaccines and it is both their own choices.

Lostinacloud · 22/10/2021 11:54

But just to balance the argument, my DC13 had a temperature and headache for one and a half days and was then completely fine and my DC11 had a stomach ache for approximately 4 hours one evening. I think that is the more usual experience but sadly, as with any other illness, some people and children will suffer more significant effects and I’m sure I’m not alone in wishing them all the best and a speedy recovery.
However, just as is your choice to vaccinate your children, I want the choice not to vaccinate mine but without the risk that this will exclude them from overseas travel or entry to an event.

Lostinacloud · 22/10/2021 11:54

Negative tests should suffice in that instance.

TheUndeadLovelinessOfDemons · 22/10/2021 11:56

@Hotcoffee10

Just wondering, now it is clear that the vaccine does not provide long term protection is everyone still keen to vaccinate their kids? I was okay with DD having one (she is 12) but yearly injections for the rest of her life doesn’t sit well with me. Covid is presumably not going to magically vanish - so it seems once they have a jab there will be pressure to get it again next year. Anyone got any thoughts?
None of us can afford to catch Covid, as we're at risk of passing it to my CEV son. So I think it depends on your family.
Mistlewoeandwhine · 22/10/2021 11:58

Natural immunity is a lie. We all had it in 2020 and have just had it again.

BewareTheLibrarians · 22/10/2021 12:00

Of course we need to balance the argument, god forbid anyone’s allowed to say out loud their kids actually felt ill with covid. HmmGrin

The overwhelming commentary is “kids don’t get ill with covid” and exactly because of that it’s important not to minimise when children do get ill with it.

CarrieBlue · 22/10/2021 12:01

I’ve never been asked for proof that my DC have been vaccinated against measles or Polio before travelling.

Both diseases (especially polio) are all but eradicated, thanks to vaccines. Depending where you travel to you are asked for proof of certain vaccinations. If you don’t want whichever vaccination and that restricts where you can travel to, then tough, you can’t go there. That’s the consequence of your decision and should play a part in what you decide to do.

zombiedog21 · 22/10/2021 12:03

I have zero problem with a jab every single year for myself or my kids. My only complaint is that they're only giving them one jab right now, not two.

LemonWeb · 22/10/2021 12:04

I have Covid at the moment as do all my dc. Fortunately I am double vaccinated so the illness is not as bad as it would be otherwise. It is a horrible thing to have and I don’t need to be persuaded to get the kids vaccinated now. My 14yo was quite unwell, and I have been too.

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