Yay teens @ vaccine centres in few weeks!

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Whilst I welcome the news its far too late

This should been done over summer maybe with schools mop up sessions.
Now vaccine centres have delivered teens and boosters at the same time.

They say in area weeks no definate date.

Their promise of by half term already Broken.

So many have covid they cabt have jab within 28 days.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10099589/Ministers-plan-walk-clinics-speed-vaccine-rollout-12-15-year-olds.html

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/17/concern-over-jab-delay-for-pupils-in-england-as-age-group-cases-soar?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Infections already spreading other age groups.
Once jabs takes while tale effect
Jabs don't stop transfer.
No mandate on mask wearing or extra restriction until they are done.
Parents and teachers age group steep rise

Rising hospitalisation in kids and teens.
Highest ever cases.

Also by way I assume we still giving 1 jab which they say only protect adults 30% against delta varient.

I was going to say “about time,” but it’s far far too late. Better late than never, I guess.

I’m in Scotland, in the Highlands actually wish they had done a vaccine clinic in school. The drop in centre is a 50 mile round trip for us and the only Saturday they have ever done was the Saturday just gone so we took ds (15) for his and dd(18) for her first one.
I understand they can’t be open hours to suit everyone but they are closed Monday which is the only day I don’t work and only open short hours and closing very soon after school finishes.
At least ds got his and dd her first she had filled out the registration online and never got an appointment.
Dh or I will need to take a day off to get her the second dose.

@Watapalava, most vulnerable teens have NOT had their second jab yet. The rollout to that group has been very slow and inconsistent, as they can’t use vaccination centres either.

@Watapalava I know I wouldn't be going to you for astute information, data or facts. ⬅️ And this is a full stop. It indicates the end of a sentence and really helps the flow of your posts! Try it!

@Watapalava

Please look at hospital data - there are approx 7000 people in hospital. This has been pretty constant all summer (actually bit lower now). Upto 900 on average are being admitted per day, The fact that this '7000' figure is not going up anywhere near even 100 a day proves most are "in and out" with mild illness or are in for other things - currently 7000 are being admitted per week going by the data yet the overall figure remains the same. The picture is stable.

I'm sorry - I just re-read this. This is your analysis of hospital data? Tell me it isn't. If it is -

@Watapalava

Full stops - are you serious?

More than half of adults in hospital counted in covid numbers are in for other things totally unrelated for covid - not caused by covid - totally unrelated

Same for kids

Kids go in all the time

Almost every child hospitalised for covid has severe underlying issues - this has been proven and told to us dozens of time. Those kids who sadly need hospitalising with covid would be so vulnerable they would also likely be very ill with a common cold e.g cancer patients.

The covid risk to kids is miniscule - i cannot believe people are still arguing about this basic proven fact

Those kids who are at most at risk have been double vax or at least offered it but nonetheless will always be at risk of something

Please look at hospital data - there are approx 7000 people in hospital. This has been pretty constant all summer (actually bit lower now). Upto 900 on average are being admitted per day, The fact that this '7000' figure is not going up anywhere near even 100 a day proves most are "in and out" with mild illness or are in for other things - currently 7000 are being admitted per week going by the data yet the overall figure remains the same. The picture is stable.

Plus don't forget there are 2000 UK hospitals so hardly overrun with 2-3 patients on average!

Yes but your "basic proven facts" are nonsense

For example, very few of even the children who are immunocompromised have been vaccinated more than once, and parents have struggled even to get that. This is because of the late roll out of vaccines.

As regards the overall pressure on the NHS, it in fact appears to be increasing

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-cases-are-rising-but-a-resurgent-flu-is-equally-worrying-for-the-nhs-qrfsq258n

"On Thursday the NHS confirmed what doctors and nurses had already suspected. ... Siva Anandaciva, chief analyst at the King’s Fund medical think tank, said the figures were climbing towards “levels not seen since the waiting times crisis in the 1990s”. ..

The number of Covid patients in English hospitals rose again by about 10 per cent last week, with around 5,300 being treated...

Professor Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer for England, provided this ... gloomy projection on Thursday. “The winter as a whole, I regret to say, is going to be exceptionally difficult for the NHS,”

Oh and I don't think that your figures prove one little bit that there isn't a problem brewing now and won't be a big issue over the winter with flu and covid.

I would listen to Chris Whitty and the Kings Funds experts on this one .

@LooksBetterWithAFaceMask That sounds really frustrating! At least with the vaccination in schools, it’s (hopefully) more accessible and doesn’t take more time out of your day if you’re working. That’s a long drive for you otherwise. I’d mistakenly assumed Scotland were doing the vaccination in schools and drop in clinics. Drop in clinics alone is much more of a faff. Splitting it between in-school vaccination (where possible between flu and hpv vaccinations) and drop in clinics for kids who’ve missed due to absence/covid or vaccinations not being completed in school would be the most efficient. I’m possibly being too optimistic to think that would be possible though!

@legosunqueen It’s good they’ve given you a number to contact, hope it all goes well and you can get his vaccine sorted easily. And that sensible logic prevails with the system!

@LooksBetterWithAFaceMask

I’m in Scotland, in the Highlands actually wish they had done a vaccine clinic in school. The drop in centre is a 50 mile round trip for us and the only Saturday they have ever done was the Saturday just gone so we took ds (15) for his and dd(18) for her first one. I understand they can’t be open hours to suit everyone but they are closed Monday which is the only day I don’t work and only open short hours and closing very soon after school finishes. At least ds got his and dd her first she had filled out the registration online and never got an appointment. Dh or I will need to take a day off to get her the second dose.

Interesting hearing from someone in Scotland about the reality of the plan there. The grass is always greener, I guess.

I don't see why both couldn't be offered? If there really is an appetite to get kids vaccinated.

It would have course been better to have started 3 months earlier, but hey.

Dish

The data proves that hospital numbers are stable

Admissions may be rising but cases in hospital are not hence they cannot be staying in or staying long otherwise the overall numbers in hospital would increase

They are not!

Even the most vulnerable kids are still at low risk to covid hence the extremely low death rate in kids worldwide

Stop scaremongering

Here

Pressure in hospitals may well exist but that is not what some are referring to

My point was that numbers in hospital overall are stable - you can stroll through the gov site to see! whilst people go in daily they are leaving in equal measure so obviously much milder symptoms - witty himself has said that

Cases in hospitals is less than 1/5 it has been and there’s been little change all year

I’m not saying waiting lists etc aren’t an issue or pressures won’t be there

I have never said this wouldn’t happen as this happens every winter

I’m calling someone out for saying hospitals are rising with kids

That is scaremongering bullshit! There were 40,000+ in hospital at the peak

Yes flu will be an issue - again that wasn’t what I referred to in any way

Flu admissions hit their thousands every year - we’ve had 40-50,000 die in bad flu winter and no one battered an eye lid

Coming on a forum and saying the stuff people are saying about kids and level of risk is worse than being an anti vax as their risk is ridiculously low - even for cev kids

Coming on a forum and saying the stuff people are saying about kids and level of risk is worse than being an anti vax as their risk is ridiculously low - even for cev kids

But who’s saying that kids have a high level of risk? Rising hospitalisations in kids alongside a rise in cases in the same age group would benefit from investigating/clarifying to to see if it’s coincidental, as you say, or not. If it is, big relief.

Absolutely no one has said that kids are at high risk. Or even medium risk. Because they’re not. But it’s not scaremongering to say that the vaccine carries less risk for children than covid for eg myocarditis, as that’s well known by now.

As I said upthread, anyway. It would be really nice to have a thread about something useful for parents who want to have their kids vaccinated (who haven’t yet done so) without anyone leaping in to minimise covid. I can dream, I guess.

@BewareTheLibrarians what seems to be happening is that the further reaches of the nhs area are having them done in schools anyone deemed close enough it’s drop in centres. We are semi remote but in a big enough area that I think the could have justified a clinic closer than a 25 mile round trip open 2 hours in the morning and 2.5 hours after lunch. It’s a little frustrating. The teenagers both chose and really wanted to get their vaccine so obviously we did it.
Dh has 4 holiday days to use before Christmas so as soon as dates appear for the drop in far enough ahead for dd to get her second dose he will take her he has more flexibility than I do.

In our area well over 3/4 seem to have consented for the jab via school.
And now there is an offer to get jabbed over half term in a localism clinic. Lots of people seem keen on that because they can choose the time and their child can have it and recover from any side effects when not in school.

Hopefully, this will mean they speed up giving the jab to 12-15s. Have been told they are coming back to school to jab in school after half term too…so anyone whose parents can’t take them or who is happy to wait a few more weeks, can have it then.

Available in school and available outside of school…..seems good to me and a way to speed it up and reach more kids more rapidly.

Has anyone actually managed book a vaccine today at a vaccination centre or does this start next week?
It was mentioned again today on the news

I've just tried to book as the first page of the NHS booking system now shows 12 - 15 year olds as an eligible group.

When I enter her details though it just says she's not eligible to book at the moment.

I guess I'll just keep trying. We're away over half term so I want to get her booked in for as soon as we are back or ideally just before we go (but I think that's unlikely). I'm not sure what to expect with side effects though.

Lindy2 I've just followed the link. They have definitely altered the front few webpages since this morning (when I tried to book). I still can't book but there is a comment that they are hoping that they can get it sorted by Friday.

I imagine that somebody is working their socks off to get it to look okay by the 5pm press conference tonight.