COVID infected child coming into school

[Dancerinthedark01]

Sorry - rubbish title

But DD11 just came home and says BoyA came into school this morning saying his whole family has COVID. He was late in because he’d just been tested. He then sat there sniffing and squinting his eyes. DD’s description.

Then half an hour later he was taken out of school because test came back as positive.

Is this normal practice now?

It doesn’t have to be masks for years. And masks are not the only thing you can do. Again, look at what’s happening in other European countries. Why are we so reluctant to learn from others?

One dose is due to risk increasing on second if you look at JCVI data

How much delay do mitigations bring

We’re through the peak here now, without any mitigations lowering it.

I know we’re going round in circles. But we suppressed the virus through lockdown to achieve the end goal of good levels of vaccination.

What is your end goal of suppression now? To wait until all children are vaccinated? Better treatments? Otherwise you’ll just get cases rocketing again when you take the measures away. Nobody has said how long we keep these measures for and for what reason?

Until next summer? Then what happens next winter? It’s awful I agree.
But we can’t suppress this virus forever.

@toomuchlaundry

I’m not sure it is privatisation. They still get money from the Government. The local academy to me isn’t sponsored by anyone and is on their knees financially just like most schools

Certainly lack of oversight of spending. CEO's, often self appointed in 'mates MATs' who earn £120,000 for oversight of less than 15 schools. LA assistant director, over site of 385 schools, earns around the £90,000 mark. I can see why academy schools are strapped!

Though I also see the amount of money they are taking directly from the DfE for improvements that maintained LA schools just can't access.

@toomuchlaundry

I wonder if any schools have received the much publicised CO2 monitors from the Government. I know our local ones haven’t

@toomuchlaundry

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12cUI5q0v11_my97yPMpb87RsSL5d5lpj

Looks like they are on with them....slowly. These, quite rightly are special schools, delivery up to yesterday. Going to be a long job to reach every school. I am sure I read that 2% of schools have received theirs.

‘ We’re through the peak here now,’

Really? What makes you think that?

I rarely check anymore but I noticed the shape the other day

We’ve had falling cases for a while

Only increased restrictions have caused fall this previously. Now it’s not that. This is fairly central London so definitely enough population circulating

That recent peak is mostly under 59 so probably many school age

The association of German paediatricians has just concluded that there is absolutely no doubt being double vaccinated hugely benefits all over 12s, taking everything into account. It’s interesting how the risk of myocarditis seems to be such a big topic here but not in most other European countries when on the other hand, the UK was not very bothered about the blood clotting issues with AZ, which killed dozens of people. I do wonder if cost considerations aren’t behind some of the vaccination decisions.

No wonder we have ridiculous case numbers in comparison to the rest of Europe. It’s absolutely being allowed to just rip through schools and workplaces now.

@Schulte

The association of German paediatricians has just concluded that there is absolutely no doubt being double vaccinated hugely benefits all over 12s, taking everything into account. It’s interesting how the risk of myocarditis seems to be such a big topic here but not in most other European countries when on the other hand, the UK was not very bothered about the blood clotting issues with AZ, which killed dozens of people. I do wonder if cost considerations aren’t behind some of the vaccination decisions.

It won’t be cost

Given CMO were asked to rethink JCVI decision

@MarshaBradyo that’s not the whole of the UK though - the picture looks very different there.

Why would London see falling cases?

And why wouldn’t other places see similar after the peak

I don’t see the benefit in flattening that sharp increase and decrease so it just happens more slowly over the year

Schulte it does but surely London is ahead? And others will follow

Not sure case numbers can be trusted right now in light of at least one lab churning out tens of thousands of false negatives.

If the powers that be failed to spot that massive issue, how many others have they missed?

I think the proportion of positive LFT + negative PCR is likely to be a good indicator of which areas are affected by that particular issue. It hasn’t been a problem at all in my area.

Because each country is in a different stage of the pandemic. Having lockdown and different measures at different times.

I don’t hold Spain in high esteem for example for locking up children for 7 weeks. I do look towards Sweden and find it interesting what is happening there (very low deaths).

We’re all on slightly different paths and if I knew what for example France’s long term strategy was after masks then yes we could learn from them.

France didn’t lockdown when we locked down earlier in the year. Did that actually help? They didn’t get the huge resurgence that locking down and constantly opening up brings.

No country has the answer right now. Not even New Zealand as we’ve seen.

@Delatron

Because each country is in a different stage of the pandemic. Having lockdown and different measures at different times.

I don’t hold Spain in high esteem for example for locking up children for 7 weeks. I do look towards Sweden and find it interesting what is happening there (very low deaths).

We’re all on slightly different paths and if I knew what for example France’s long term strategy was after masks then yes we could learn from them.

France didn’t lockdown when we locked down earlier in the year. Did that actually help? They didn’t get the huge resurgence that locking down and constantly opening up brings.

No country has the answer right now. Not even New Zealand as we’ve seen.

New Zealand have ended up with fewer deaths.

We’ve still had long (late) lockdowns, vaccines (which are behind now), some social distancing and yet we have still ended with too many people dying.

How have we fucked up?!

I think we’ve established we can’t compare ourselves to New Zealand many times...

I agree we should have locked down earlier and our government have completely messed up many times. But going forward... the answer isn’t easy, well without spending huge amounts of money.

How long do we want masks for? How long do we have measures for abs then what happens? I know I’ve asked this many times but I don’t think anyone has come back with an answer and it’s pretty crucial. What is the end goal here?

I still question timing as we had many threads from N complaining timing met SE and London

Then they endured the longest lockdowns and the highest fatigue. The lockdown was earlier on their curve.

Behaviour changed in London earlier but we’ve used behaviour throughout

For me, a reasonable goal would be to keep numbers fairly constant, but at a low level. Aim for an incidence of below 50 in 100,000. At the moment, we have fairly constant numbers at a very high level. I don’t think it’s sustainable because of the impact Covid is still having everywhere, and I don’t think numbers will come down on their own. I don’t believe in the ‘exit wave’ simply because as we know, you can catch Covid over and over again.

Since the R number has been around 1 for many weeks now, it seems plausible that you can keep numbers at a certain level, once you have got to that level. What I don’t know is whether there is some sort of pandemic equilibrium where numbers only remain constant at a certain (high) level. Perhaps someone with more knowledge has an opinion on that?

and I don’t think numbers will come down on their own

But they have in areas in London. Why would that occur?

If you look at this map London is yellow and lower than nearly everywhere else.

If anyone has been to London lately you’ll notice how busy it is. It also has highest antibody rate.

Covid isn’t going away. Covid can be caught over and over again. Covid can (but might not) be worse on infection two or three, fifteen or fifty. Lots of children in my school have been very sick on their third dose of Covid.

If we can get it over and over again, it doesn’t matter which areas have already ‘had it’ because they will get it again. Therefore, we try to limit the spread. I KNOW covid isn’t going away but doing nothing is like refusing to wash your hands or not cleaning the loos in the middle of a norovirus outbreak. Yes, it’s unpleasant but some mitigations might be here, on and off, for the rest of our lives.

If so, why is London so different to the rest of the country?

What is slowing infection there