Do councils know what we dont

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2major festive events cancelled that I assume boost both cities economy

www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/shambolic-decision-cancel-bath-christmas-6032017

metro.co.uk/2021/10/12/london-new-years-eve-fireworks-cancelled-for-second-year-in-a-row-15406333/?ito=facebook|social|metroukfacebook

I know media speculated October circuit break that's all gone quiet.

Just with 40k cases over 100 deaths a day we not far off jan.
Kids highest rates infections and these do leak into other age group.
7000+ in hospital
Flu and other viruses making a come back as well as covid.
What makes everyone so certain the NHS won't get overwhelmed.

Just worry after last autumn winter feels crazy out if control right now.

If councils have been given insider information then they obviously forgot to let ours know, as all our planned events from now until Christmas are going ahead!

I think that if they can’t control numbers they are wary about it; with a lot of events over the summer they can control numbers but with the fireworks and fairs they can’t

Our fair, firework display and Christmas market are currently still planned to go ahead.

They normally have a big fireworks display in Blackheath London for bonfire night, it's cancelled this year and they said it's because of lack of funding after government cuts

The flu vaccine roll out is slow this year. That won’t help this winter

@EvilPea

The flu vaccine roll out is slow this year. That won’t help this winter

If you're having problem getting a flu jab, look at getting it done at Boots. Loads of appointments available around where I live so probably the same across the country. All my family were done there and at other chemists in September.

@Nightlystroll

I've got a dead fly on my windowsill that knows more than my local council so I wouldn't credit them with knowing more than you, no.

Perhaps it knew too much.

PicsInRed

@PicsInRed
😂😂😂😂
Although it implies the council might have been involved in its demise, which mean they'd actually have to do something so its unlikely. But you have made me laugh. Thank you.

We all know that cases will go up in winter and some restrictions are likely to come back, don't we? A good outcome would be avoiding another lockdown.

Many stallholders come from Europe, they tour around different fairs. It must have been very hard for them to work over last 18 months due to the travel restrictions and many of them will have given up. Also many of them won't want to travel to the UK because we do have much higher case rates than the rest of Europe and also our vaccination rates are now beaten by several European countries. Plus visas, issues with stock stuck in supply chain etc.

@PicsInRed
🤣🤣 The fly who knew too much. There's a film in that! 😉

There’s been no mention of the flu vaccine at my son’s school yet this year. Last year it was much later then usual as well, but we had heard when it was happening before this time last year.

My local council’s left hand doesn’t know what it’s right hand is doing, so I very much doubt they are privy to secret information, let alone being competent enough to do anything with it.

My friend is involved in the organising of a large, festive event, not a market but a large outside event, and they cancelled it months ago.

Difficulty getting affordable cancellation insurance, the cost involved with no guarantee it would go ahead, etc, so they decided to cancel this year’s event.

They did have a rethink a few weeks ago and looked into whether they could put on a smaller event, but again, costs, not enough time, etc, so it’s not happening this year.

[quote Earlydancing]@PicsInRed
🤣🤣 The fly who knew too much. There's a film in that! 😉[/quote]
Starring Jeff Goldblum 👍

Haha at Pics

And yet other mass-attendance festivals are going ahead fine - e.g. literature festivals held indoors with people flying in from all over. Don't think it is anything any council 'knows' just stock issues/Brexit issues/travel issues/poor trading environment of last 2 years etc.

@madisonbridges

I can confidently state our council knows very little. About anything. Been that situation for a loooong time.

I concur. My cant find its arse with both hands and some mirrors

@Aposterhasnoname

What makes everyone so certain the NHS won't get overwhelmed

Don’t quote me on this, but I’m sure I heard something about some sort of vaccine that we have now. Apparently it’s really good at lowering the hospitalisation rate.

The vaccines have reduced the proportion of covid cases which require hospital admission massively.

In order to allow respiratory viruses such as flu and covid (which spreads like a respiratory virus) to overwhelm the NHS again the government would have to avoid using the NPIs we know to be effective in reducing the spread of respiratory viruses, and just allow those diseases free rein - inevitably building up a groundswell of undetected spread.

Like they did in January to April 2020

And

August to October 2020

And

December 2020.

And also underfund and understaff the NHS so that it can't catch up with all its usual work due to being kept so busy with covid.

@Fdksyihfd

I think that if they can’t control numbers they are wary about it; with a lot of events over the summer they can control numbers but with the fireworks and fairs they can’t

This is most likely the reason - they want to control numbers (eg by ticketing, even for a free event) but that's very difficult when events take place in areas like high streets. You might find low key events taking place but with little or no advertising to limit the numbers attending.

The flu vaccine roll out is slow this year. That won’t help this winter

I'm surprised. I got called an entire month earlier than usual plus more family members have had it this year at around normal time or earlier than normal and several for first time.

Where we and where other family members are they seem to be using big vaccine centers for flu and well as covid - seems to have speed things up- and local chemists - were I got done couple of weeks ago - seem to be geared up for more jabs this year. Plus secondary school child usually done at GP - and every year it gets later often December - is getting it in school this year next week.

As for local council knowing more - doubt it - it's planning, money and resources being needed to plan months ahead of events so any unceratinly about it going ahead staffing or equipment issues etc means best to cancel before planning stage.

@Lollipop444

"I work in the nhs and I hear on the grapevine that they are expecting a worse than normal flu season and are privately worried that with this and covid the wards will again become overwhelmed.

Our Covid positive admissions have interestingly jumped massively this week after being fairly stable for the last 6 weeks or so.

Thats no secret. Jenny Harries has said recently that the flu vaccine "guess" this year is more uncertain than usual because of so little flu globally last year because (probably) of lockdowns, social distancing and so on. She said to still get a flu vac if you are offered or nasal spray for your children but also that getting flu and covid together is very risky and therefore people should be getting their first course/boosters of covid vaccine.

@godmum56
but also that getting flu and covid together is very risky and therefore people should be getting their first course/boosters of covid vaccine.

Did she say why its risky. My elderly mum had hers a few days apart. Is it just that it might make her feel grotty for a few days or does it lower the rate of success? Sorry, I know you might not know.

Saw this the other day re risk

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/10/getting-flu-with-covid-makes-you-twice-as-likely-to-die-says-uk-health-chief

Covid-19: Uncertain winter ahead as flu circulates at same time, says Harries

the head of the Health Security Agency Jenny Harries has said.

People are at "more significant risk of death and of serious illness if they are co-infected" with both viruses, she told the BBC.

...
Research shows those infected with both viruses are more than twice as likely to die as someone with Covid alone.