Dr John Campbell YouTube videos - what happened?

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Can anyone who's watched his videos more regularly than I have explain this to me? Seems to have gone from mainstream to pro-ivermectin in the space of a few months.

To be fair the content of his videos often remains even-handed

I have to disagree with you on that one @IndigoC! Have posted on previous couple pages about some issues in his previous videos

The ivermectin in japan one is woeful.

I’ve watched him on and off right from the beginning. I am sometimes surprised by the content but he does use actual studies and states whether they’re peer reviewed or not or abstracts and not actual studies.
I do think it’s important to not shut anyone down unless it’s very obvious misinformation and not just a differing opinion.
One thing I’ve noticed during this pandemic is sometimes reasoned debate is totally shut down and discredited if it doesn’t back up the standard advice. There’s no room for exploration or a different route.
I watched this recently and thought it made sense but was shut down initially.
To me, it seems sensible but I’m just a consumer of articles and not a scientist so if anyone wants share their opinion as they have more knowledge, please do.
It’s rather long though from a credible source, I hope!

I honestly think by now I really would prefer if he started selling pictures of his feet than making any more videos.

It's not shutting him down it's just that there are so many actual experts on epidemiology, virology, etc, that should be listened to instead of him and his misinformation business.

I just enjoyed reading this guide to different types of conspiracy theorists. He's clearly in the final category - and actually has been since the beginning when he went big on Vitamin D:

arieh.substack.com/p/covid-conspiracy-theorists-a-spotters

I've just discovered a wonderful counterpoint to Dr. John's raving lunacy, who, I think, is responsible for propagating misinformation to millions of people. It's a sad thing to see him plummet from useful resource to anti-vax poster-boy.

Anyway, here are some reasoned, scientific talks about the subject by Dr Susan Oliver. :)

Parts 1, 2 and 3

Thanks Adem. There's another video debunking him here:

She used to appear as a guest on John Campbell's videos - I wonder if she would again?

I used really enjoy watching his videos but the last few weeks have a different energy. He seems to have made his mind up that (as he predicted) omicron is great news and the pandemic is over. Every video is the same and he selects interviews and studies that support his own view rather than presenting a balance.

Now he seems to have gone full blown conspiracy claiming that Omicron was engineered in mice and covertly 'released' by the Wuhan lab to naturally vaccinate us all against covid. I think he's at risk if losing his mind and should take a break from youtube.

@Halloweenrainbow so tell us, where is the balanced reporting, and who is reporting it? Please lead us in demonstrating where we should get our news from, who we should believe blindly and what direction this whole thing is going in. Please, enlighten us all.

John Campbell is suddenly saying things that ppl don't want to hear that deviates from he narrative of the MSM. So now, he has been compromised?

As if, there isn't any truth other than the one that is being forced down your throat.

Scary isn't it.

@Halloweenrainbow

I used really enjoy watching his videos but the last few weeks have a different energy. He seems to have made his mind up that (as he predicted) omicron is great news and the pandemic is over. Every video is the same and he selects interviews and studies that support his own view rather than presenting a balance.

Now he seems to have gone full blown conspiracy claiming that Omicron was engineered in mice and covertly 'released' by the Wuhan lab to naturally vaccinate us all against covid. I think he's at risk if losing his mind and should take a break from youtube.

He hasn't said that omicron was engineered in mice, or that it has been released by a Wuhan lab to naturally vaccinate us all . You are the one who perhaps needs to take a break from YouTube .

Have either of you actually watched the videos?

@Halloweenrainbow Of course, otherwise I wouldn't comment.

Everything I said stands, and you haven't answered any of the questions.

@Adem

Unbelievable that so many are willing to think that “big pharma” could conspire to suppress the antiviral properties of ivermectin while keeping the lid on any leaks when every other organisation on earth has a hard time keeping the lid on even the most trivial gossip. Not only that, but they do so while dismissing the studies that show it’s an ineffective covid treatment and ignore the many fraudulent studies that actually do look like they are deliberately trying to mislead for whatever reasons they have.

As for Dr John, he’s so invested in the rabbit hole he’s fallen down I don’t he’ll ever back down now. And although his channel may not be monetised, he’s appeared on several TV news shows because of it. I think his ego is leading his actions now.

You're so naive, so SO naive, but it's not your fault. It's pretty unfathomable, isn't it?!? Yet it's happening. Not many of the world population are truly aware how those who own big pharma operate, therefore they clearly have a huge advantage over all of us. It's a much bigger problem when those who understand what makes the world go around choose to ignore it and deliberately mislead the public. IMO there is nothing wrong with JC's channel, it reflects the journey of a person going through the process of awakening as he ploughs his way through the information available to all of us on this planet.

someone has already provided a link to an interview with Dr Bhattacharya earlier in the thread, but here is another one he did with UnHerd, which may help those, who are interested and open to listen to other expert perspectives, to understand that there isn't just one correct way to lead us out of a pandemic.

[quote CUniverse]@Halloweenrainbow Of course, otherwise I wouldn't comment.

Everything I said stands, and you haven't answered any of the questions.[/quote]
Your question makes no sense. I wasn't comparing him to anyone else's reporting, I just think he could give a more neutral and balanced view in his own videos like he used to. I enjoyed those videos and got a lot out of them. I had my vaccines and take daily vit D as per his advice.

[quote CUniverse]@Halloweenrainbow so tell us, where is the balanced reporting, and who is reporting it? Please lead us in demonstrating where we should get our news from, who we should believe blindly and what direction this whole thing is going in. Please, enlighten us all.

John Campbell is suddenly saying things that ppl don't want to hear that deviates from he narrative of the MSM. So now, he has been compromised?

As if, there isn't any truth other than the one that is being forced down your throat.

Scary isn't it.[/quote]
John Campbell is suddenly saying things that ppl don't want to hear that deviates from he narrative of the MSM

Nope, he's making claims that have no evidence base in areas he is not qualified to comment. This is especially problematic given that he's disagreeing with experts with decades of experience and expertise. He has a huge following and is generating a nice income from his youtube channel - the more controverisial, the more views it gets.

Previously JC was making videos on content based on robust evidence, on topics he was qualified to speculate about as a nurse and someone with a phd in nurse education. This videos were helpful and informative.

Now he has moved onto peddling nonsense with no evidence base - and is disagreeing with those far more qualified who have explained the many issues with the things he is claiming. His videos are full of basic epidemiological errors.

I used to watch him at the beginning. As a nurse his views on aspiration I thought were helpful - I still don't really understand the downside given it takes half a second to aspirate. Being precautionary seems to have been thrown out the window.

I have given up on him though, I think there was bias there from the start - he rarely commented much on children or acknowledged the huge failings in UK classrooms to reduce exposure (he'd sometimes talk about classrooms around the world but the number of students and exposure is so different between countries - it made no sense, he was comparing apples and oranges and was a big blind spot). I had quick look at a video the other day (after reading this thread) and I noticed there were a lot more ads than there used to be. So I turned it off.

I was listening to John's vid today re Omicron and at the end he was reading out messages he's received from people with very odd 'theories' about where Omicron has come from. Lab leaks with bells on, really. I have no idea why he'd air things like that as they are pure supposition on the part of others and he has no evidence! Very odd and disturbing stuff.

@CUniverse

Can I gently suggest you read the full thread? I've answered these questions many time over on it.

this is all according to YOU. What qualifications do you have to dispute what he or any other medical professionals are saying? Many medical professionals think the way he does. Many are completely against these particular vaccines. Are they to be shut down because it doesn't fit the narrative?

A brief TLDR:

I work as an epidemiolgist, though not in infectious disease, so fairly qualified to comment. However as I've said, that means nothing on a forum, and have stated several times he is disagreeing with people far more qualified than him, with decades of experience and expertise. He has a PhD in nurse education, he is not a research scientist.

It takes a certain amount of arrogance to disagree with experts when you are not qualified. I wouldn't, for example, go to a cardiology conference and tell them they're doing a certain type of surgery wrong.

Many medical professionals think the way he does. Many are completely against these particular vaccines.

As I ask to all theses posters, please name a credible (i.e., who's views are backed by robust evidence) and qualified expert who disagrees with vaccination of the general population.

For those who have already had Covid and not had issues, why is it such bad thing that they do not want a vaccine? Why should it be mandatory for everyone when so many experience it mildly?

I've stated repeatedly I disagree with mandatory vaccination- that doesn't mean I'm ok with misinformation and those who peddle it like JC.

There's such a strange trend on MN that when you point out misinformation, whatever it may be, you're immediately met with a barrage of assumptions about various policies.

Why doesn't natural immunity count for anything?
It counts for a great deal. The reason vaccination is still recommended after vaccination is because population level data has demonstrated the boost it provides to the level of immunity someone has is beneficial for both the individual & wider society. These studies have been linked on many threads.

Would also quite like a source for these claims about children dying from the coronavirus vaccines? @CUniverse

I used to watch him at the beginning and found him calm and helpful. But over the last few months he really has changed the way he presents and gone down the rabbit hole. The other day he made completely fraudulent claims about numbers of incidental admissions (the numbers at the time were 75% of covid, and he put them the other way round and said it was three quarters of people with incidental admissions. There was more downright disinformation in that video too. I was surprised at him for being so careless with the data. His comments are full of fawning 'oh Doctor John, you're the only voice I trust' comments, and it seems to me that he has decided to pander to these voices and forget reason. Sad, really.

@ollyollyoxenfree all your posts are so sensible and helpful. I don't know how you have the patience you do!

There are 16000+ Physicians and Medical Scientists that have opposing views to the popular opinion re Covid vaccines.

Specifically against the vaccines for children and those who have natural immunity. They have their supporting evidence from research papers etc

doctorsandscientistsdeclaration.org

The robust evidence is also in those who have evidently suffered vaccine injury or death.

Many who believe in the vaccines i.e. myself, realise that there are going to be casualties on a mass roll out of the (intended) globe, and no one wants to be one of those.
When something is deemed to be safe for everyone in the whole entire world, 7billion+ people, it is a LIE. It isn't possible for it to be safe for us all.

Maybe a bit more transparency regarding the adverse effects of the vaccines by our governments would instil more confidence within populations. I bet they would have no riots and no conspiracy theories if they tell the truth a bit more at critical moments when they're trying to get everyone on the same side.
Instead they create division to distract from their shortcomings. They spew the same shit to everyone as though the same applies to each and every individual. We are seen as numbers, and the only person that can advocate for your health as an individual, is yourself.

Again, I believe in vaccines and I believe that millions of people over the globe need them. I am also of the belief that not everyone does.

I watched the omicron-came-from-mice talk because I’ve read the paper he based it on. The majority of experts in viral genomics on Twitter have dismissed that paper and that theory as unlikely, but Dr Campbell presented it as more likely than not.

Early on I worked out he has a habit of presenting uncertain data as much more certain than it is. It’s helpful to simplify things at times and he communicates clearly as a result, which makes him popular. But nuance is lost.