Dr John Campbell YouTube videos - what happened?

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Can anyone who's watched his videos more regularly than I have explain this to me? Seems to have gone from mainstream to pro-ivermectin in the space of a few months.

@ollyollyoxenfree

At which point in John Campbell's video does he encourage the use of Ivermectin over vaccination?It is just untrue and false to claim he has.
I didn't say this. As I said in my previous reply to you (which I suspect you don't bother to read) these are the issues regarding his videos:

The issue is not that John Campbell is talking about ivermectin, it's that he's quoting studies that have either been retracted as they are fraudelent, or so low quality that you they cannot be used to infer causality. Despite having no relevant training, he is happy to disagree with epidemiologists who have critically reviewed the literature. He makes basic epidemiological errors, and links to the nonsense ivmeta website as a source of information. In short, he is spreading misinformation about ivermectin which is dangerous.

What is the evidence that people are turning down the vaccine for Ivermectin?
This has been given as a reason for people not being vaccinated in population level surveys. I have repeatedly redirected you to one of the many ivermectin threads on MN where I have answered this (and all your other questiosn)

There is not one documented case of anyone in the UK overdosing or even taking Ivermectin.
I never said there had been.

What are you basing the claims that it is 'dangerous' to talk about the hypothetical mechanisms of Ivermectin?
Again, in none of my posts have I said this.

I reply to your posts with answers & evidence sources @hamstersarse. You just ignore this and continue to make false claims about what I've said, and ignore any questions I've asked you in return, it's baffling.

In short, he is spreading misinformation about ivermectin which is dangerous.

What are you basing the claims that it is 'dangerous' to talk about the hypothetical mechanisms of Ivermectin?
Again, in none of my posts have I said this.

In the same post you have said that it is dangerous to talk about Ivermectin, and then that you have never said it is dangerous.

See how it's confusing to respond to you?

@hamstersarse

In short, he is spreading misinformation about ivermectin which is dangerous.

What are you basing the claims that it is 'dangerous' to talk about the hypothetical mechanisms of Ivermectin?
Again, in none of my posts have I said this.

In the same post you have said that it is dangerous to talk about Ivermectin, and then that you have never said it is dangerous.

See how it's confusing to respond to you?

Please link to any of my posts where I've said "it is dangerous to talk about Ivermectin"?

Hint -you won't be able to.

i spend I decent time at work dicussing it with collegaues, no idea why you're continuing to present these claims I'm "shutting down" discussion.

Spreading misinformation, is dangerous (be it about ivermectin, vit c, vaccines, brain phenotypes after COVID infection), not discussing things.

What is the evidence that people are turning down the vaccine for Ivermectin?
This has been given as a reason for people not being vaccinated in population level surveys. I have repeatedly redirected you to one of the many ivermectin threads on MN where I have answered this (and all your other questiosn)

Do you have the links to show that people have turned down the vaccine because of Ivermectin? That is a big claim

So you are accusing John Campbell of misinformation and not disinformation?

Because he used a study that in your opinion is not valid?

@hamstersarse

So you are accusing John Campbell of misinformation and not disinformation?

Because he used a study that in your opinion is not valid?

He is quoting retracted studies, meta-analyses that include these retracted studies, and quoting the nonsense ivnmeta website, alongside inferring causality from studies at a high risk of bias.

This is not my opinion, it is that of the scientific community.

I feel Dr John's become somewhat disillusioned over the course of this pandemic (as have many of us). He seems weary some days. I want to tell him to pack it in and get out and do something totally unrelated! I saw the first signs when he was dismayed that Vit D wasn't followed up despite many studies showing it could be protective. Possibly ivermection ticks that box in his brain, although I do not agree with him on that one.

Yesterday's video he was talking about his disappointment that Covid isn't going to be over as he thought it would be (at the outset, he thought 2 years then it would vanish) and is indeed becoming endemic. That herd immunity isn't going to happen either (when he believed it would). So I really think this is all part of his mental change in attitude. I do think it would be far better if he stepped away from the topic now, after all, he has done a great job, especially in the first months, but now, not so much.

@CrunchyCarrot

I feel Dr John's become somewhat disillusioned over the course of this pandemic (as have many of us). He seems weary some days. I want to tell him to pack it in and get out and do something totally unrelated! I saw the first signs when he was dismayed that Vit D wasn't followed up despite many studies showing it could be protective. Possibly ivermection ticks that box in his brain, although I do not agree with him on that one.

Yesterday's video he was talking about his disappointment that Covid isn't going to be over as he thought it would be (at the outset, he thought 2 years then it would vanish) and is indeed becoming endemic. That herd immunity isn't going to happen either (when he believed it would). So I really think this is all part of his mental change in attitude. I do think it would be far better if he stepped away from the topic now, after all, he has done a great job, especially in the first months, but now, not so much.

I agree that he played a very good role at the beginning and I used to watch him in the early days. But now, his contributions are far from "not so much" and are rather more like bloody harmful.

And any pro-John, pro-Ivermectin want to jump in, be my guest, but I will just ignore your idiocy. SMH Bloody lunatics.

Seems I did him an injustice in speculating that money was behind his recent flurry of vaccine sceptical videos, given his channel is apparently not monetised.

I suppose it’s ego driving the quest for more hits, or perhaps just being swayed by the mass of American anti-vaxxers that seem to dominate the comments on his videos.

@IndigoC

Seems I did him an injustice in speculating that money was behind his recent flurry of vaccine sceptical videos, given his channel is apparently not monetised.

I suppose it’s ego driving the quest for more hits, or perhaps just being swayed by the mass of American anti-vaxxers that seem to dominate the comments on his videos.

How can you tell @IndigoC?

I am very youtube ignorant

Yes I agree it may be an ego thing - his early videos were very good but of course the more controverisial ones are going to be what draws lots of viewers and the more hardcore fans

@ollyollyoxenfree

Just based on what other MNers upthread are saying is the case. I also have a hazy recollection of him seeing it in the early days.

But I just checked and got ads before all of his videos I tried to play so perhaps he is making money from it now.

*saying

On the basis of this thread I went and watched one of his recent videos - it was about another of his videos which had been blocked online for saying it was spreading misinformation (a video where he talks about the similarity of one (not both) of the new antiviral covid drugs to ivermectin in the mechanism of action).

The site which had 'fact checked' him was mostly run by journalists. Whatever you think of Dr John's medical credentials, they surely are greater than journalists.

I think he's probably wrong on ivermectin but one thing I like is that he's willing to examine people saying he's wrong and why. This is not happening in the mainstream.

I don't think his videos are as good as they were but I think it's really concerning when someone who is fairly clearly trying to be transparent and in good faith is just dismissed. Yes, he has an ego, anyone who has a youtube channel obviously will, but he is willing to admit when he's wrong and cites references for everything as far as I can see which people are then free to read themselves. Which is a lot more than can be said for the mainstream media.

We saw this in this country when some were linking the AZ vaccine to rare fatal side effects - it got shut down here for ages while other countries paused AZ vaccination or restricted it to older age groups as a precautionary measure. We all now know that there is a real very rare but potentially fatal risk from the AZ vaccine.

When it comes to aspiration, JC is a former nurse so probably knows more about how aspiration works than most. I can't see the down side to aspiration to be honest. It takes seconds, costs nothing, and if there's even the vague possibility it could save lives, why not? It would be precautionary. We seem to have thrown precaution away.

I too have stopped watching Dr John's videos but I do think he's an interesting voice and someone who isn't polarised on one side of the debate or the other and that's a good thing. There are too few who are willing to consider the points being made on the 'other side' and it's so worrying it's so polarised.

I agree @CrunchyCarrot. He seems tired and really quite fed up. It must be exhausting having to think of and make videos every day, and to surround yourself in so much information about one topic for so long.

He was brilliant and really got me through the awful winter, I loved how he collated so much useful information and really explained everything clearly. But now I fear he's on the wrong track.

I was wrong the demonetization ban has been lifted in certain circumstances. He could be really coining it.

www.searchenginejournal.com/youtube-officially-lifts-monetization-ban-on-covid-19-content/360362/#close

socialblade.com/youtube/user/campbellteaching

[quote vera99]I was wrong the demonetization ban has been lifted in certain circumstances. He could be really coining it.

www.searchenginejournal.com/youtube-officially-lifts-monetization-ban-on-covid-19-content/360362/#close

socialblade.com/youtube/user/campbellteaching[/quote]
Yoiks .

He's put on 130k subscribers in the last 30 days. If he's chasing subs and money then the anti-vaxx crowd is poorly served on You Tube and from the top-rated comments below many of the vids they are flocking to his channel and if we take the middle estimation of his earnings then it's £1000 a day.

"Welcome to today's talk... " kerching

He gets a comprehensive debunk here:

mobile.twitter.com/kallmemeg/status/1463493914816655361

[quote manolantern]He gets a comprehensive debunk here:

mobile.twitter.com/kallmemeg/status/1463493914816655361[/quote]
That most recent video

He has moved to all-out "ivermectin is a miracle cure" insanity. Do have to wonder why - if he genuinely believes it, is getting paid to promote, or just rakes in money by posting videos popular with the anti-vaccine crowd.

He's a bit late on the train given even that it's most ardent pushers have started to give up (and pile onto a new coronavirus miracle drug)

There's another video here where he's schooled by an actual expert:

I think Youtube as a platform has corrupted him! He went down a rabbit-hole and found he became more popular, so doubled down on it.

He's not pro anything other than sensible, reasoned, open debate. The kind of debate that used to be a cornerstone of science but is now somewhat frowned upon!
Many countries are now using Ivermectin successfully. Campbell very amusingly destroyed the Australian govt health agency's reasons for banning its use. He wasn't saying it had to be used, he was simply saying that the reasons stated for its banning were nonsensical.
He's very pro-vaccine too so cannot be argued in any way to be some kind of looney outlier!

@Ecina

He's not pro anything other than sensible, reasoned, open debate. The kind of debate that used to be a cornerstone of science but is now somewhat frowned upon! Many countries are now using Ivermectin successfully. Campbell very amusingly destroyed the Australian govt health agency's reasons for banning its use. He wasn't saying it had to be used, he was simply saying that the reasons stated for its banning were nonsensical. He's very pro-vaccine too so cannot be argued in any way to be some kind of looney outlier!

I've posted upthread about why the claims he's making are incorrect & are misinformation @Ecina

He's not pro anything other than sensible, reasoned, open debate. The kind of debate that used to be a cornerstone of science but is now somewhat frowned upon!
This is not reasoned debate, that's the problem. The claims he is making are not true.

Many countries are now using Ivermectin successfully.
Again, not true. There's no evidence for efficacy, hence why it is not a good idea for it to be used outside of trials.

Campbell very amusingly destroyed the Australian govt health agency's reasons for banning its use.
See reason's above!

socialblade.com/youtube/user/campbellteaching

For those interested in how much people make on social media. This estimates earnings.

@mumda

socialblade.com/youtube/user/campbellteaching

For those interested in how much people make on social media. This estimates earnings.

Wow, no wonder he is following the money.

I guess he realized he was likely confined to his home for the indefinite future and looked for best ways to make $$$ online. And quite soon ruled out "sell pictures of feet."..

@manolantern

It’s pretty clear he’s pivoted to attract the anti-vaccine community. To be fair the content of his videos often remains even-handed but the subjects he’s choosing and the titles of the videos are very telling.

Look at the last four: “heart risk after vaccines” “Gibraltar, vaccine failure” “Ivermectin in Japan” “spontaneous abortion after vaccine”.