Booster question

[garlictwist]

This article suggests that protection from the vaccine wanes after six months

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/05/pfizer-covid-jab-90-effective-against-hospitalisation-for-at-least-6-months

If they are only offering the booster to certain groups, surely this means everyone else is effectively not vaccinated after this time?

In that case, what's the use of proposed vaccine passports and having different rules for vaccinated vs unvaccinated people?

To be honest I feel a bit naive that I had a vaccine in good faith thinking it was a silver bullet and after six months it wears off. I won't be given a booster so now I am not protected again.

@Lostinacloud

Why though *@Geamhradh*? Covid overwhelmingly affects the same demographic as annual flu and we have never before decided that entire populations need vaccinating against that respiratory virus. Also, still waiting for you to tell me why vaccine passports have any effect on the health situation and why they should be widely implemented?

I don't remember any other flu season in my 56 years behaving like Covid, do you?

Not sure what you mean by asking me about vaccine passports- I haven't commented on them. I'm not in the UK, so I'm not sure what UK MNers mean when they talk about Vaccine passports.

It was another thread you were excited to find me on so you could apply for my posts to be deleted. I commented that some of the general public have been saying for a while now that population wide vaccination when not really necessary for most under 50’s was maybe a means to an end for the introduction of digital id’s. You were more than happy to belittle me and call me a conspiracy theorist listening to my conspiracy theorist mates on that thread.

@Lostinacloud

It was another thread you were excited to find me on so you could apply for my posts to be deleted. I commented that some of the general public have been saying for a while now that population wide vaccination when not really necessary for most under 50’s was maybe a means to an end for the introduction of digital id’s. You were more than happy to belittle me and call me a conspiracy theorist listening to my conspiracy theorist mates on that thread.

Oh I remember.

I've had a look at the screenshot I took.
That's not quite what you said is it? (Though i am genuinely confused at your confusion- one minute you're talking about vaccine passports, the next digital ID- are they the same thing for you? Digital ID like the bog standard digital passports we all have for travel? I don't think anyone will be forcing you to Benidorm any time soon. Vaccine passports- do you mean the NHS vaccine digital cert?

I'll continue to report any fallacious and wilful misinterpretation that you post. And I expect HQ will continue to delete anything which, if believed, could actually put lives at risk.
I might also continue to belittle conspiracy theorists. They fucking deserve it.

PS. It was this thread and the only post I reported was where your final sentence was a lie.

Screenshotting posts! Fucking hell, I think I’ll leave it there with you now. Wouldn’t want to interrupt your “important self-appointed covid information policing’ work for too long. You are “saving lives” through the deletion of dangerous post after all! Enjoy your job, you fucking deserve it!

@Geamhradh you said

No.
I remember when we were going to begin by vaccinating them and then obviously vaccinating the rest of the population though.

Interesting. I guess either you missed the memo on that one - or maybe memory loss is a side effect of vaccination! Okay, try this: Do you remember when the government said there were "no plans to vaccinate schoolchildren"?

By the way, here you go:

"Country could see significant return to normality by summer if most vulnerable vaccinated"

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-lockdown-end-summer-sage-b1797455.html%3famp

@IncredulousOne
I’m in England and we did have our freedoms restored over the summer as the proportion of elderly and vulnerable who’d been vaccinated increased and hospitalisations decreased as a result (as PuzzledObserver said). Delta slightly delayed the final stage, which had been planned for 22nd June. It was certainly always my expectation that all adults would be vaccinated. The government
worked hard to order enough vaccines to cover the whole population, after all.
This article from January predates the article you referenced (and doesn’t actually conflict with it) and clearly states that all adults were to be offered the vaccine by September:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/17/all-adults-uk-offered-coronavirus-vaccine-september

I think I would argue that the introduction of the Covid pass means that we haven't had our freedoms restored...

I would also draw your attention to the "no plans to vaccinate schoolchildren" that was widely used to "debunk" so-called "conspiracy theorists" who predicted that the rollout would be extended to include this group.

Here's a Newsround article which states it explicitly in nice simple language for you...

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/56054311.amp

Getting back to the OP's question, here is an interesting scientific paper which measures the waning on vaccine efficacy in Qatar:

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.25.21262584v1

Remind me what you need a Covid pass for in England because I don’t have one and haven’t needed one.
‘No plans’ means just that and it was true. If they’d had a plan we would be further ahead than we are with the vaccination of school children.

Isn't it amazing how they were recruiting for an army of school vaccinators over the summer - months before they'd decided to approve the jab for schoolchildren?

@IncredulousOne
You’ve lost me because I don’t see anything sinister in vaccinating school children. It was a finely balanced decision, which has come quite late in the UK compared to many other countries.

What actually do you think a government should do when faced with hospitals at or close to capacity as a result of an infectious disease?

I think it speaks volumes that they were already recruiting vaccinators for schools while still claiming that they had not made a decision on whether to vaccinate schoolchildren.

It's a bit like me buying flights and booking a hotel while claiming I have no and to go on holiday!

"no plans to go on holiday", not "no and to go on holiday".

I can see a report from 28th August that vaccinators for schools were being recruited, and government confirmation from 7th September that if children were to be jabbed, it would be in school. What is sinister about that?
The idea of vaccinating children wasn’t a carefully guarded secret. It was under discussion for weeks.