Booster question

[garlictwist]

This article suggests that protection from the vaccine wanes after six months

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/05/pfizer-covid-jab-90-effective-against-hospitalisation-for-at-least-6-months

If they are only offering the booster to certain groups, surely this means everyone else is effectively not vaccinated after this time?

In that case, what's the use of proposed vaccine passports and having different rules for vaccinated vs unvaccinated people?

To be honest I feel a bit naive that I had a vaccine in good faith thinking it was a silver bullet and after six months it wears off. I won't be given a booster so now I am not protected again.

Why won't you get a booster?
Surely there will be a rollout of boosters like there was for the original vaccine?
(I'm not in UK so don't know, but where I am, the people first vaccinated are now getting boosters and we've been told ours will be Dec-Jan as had second dose beginning of May.

Some people have been saying for a while that the vaccines were a means to an end for the introduction of the digital passports - doesn’t seem so far fetched anymore when they’re still talking about passports, knowing the vaccines don’t stop spread and wear off and covid has all but evolved into a head cold!

Who was saying that?
Your usual conspiracy theory mates?
Or do you have a link that, as usual, we can pull apart in a nanosecond?

@garlictwist

This article suggests that protection from the vaccine wanes after six months

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/05/pfizer-covid-jab-90-effective-against-hospitalisation-for-at-least-6-months

If they are only offering the booster to certain groups, surely this means everyone else is effectively not vaccinated after this time?

In that case, what's the use of proposed vaccine passports and having different rules for vaccinated vs unvaccinated people?

To be honest I feel a bit naive that I had a vaccine in good faith thinking it was a silver bullet and after six months it wears off. I won't be given a booster so now I am not protected again.

I've read the article you linked, and remember it says "at least" six months, and points out that risk of being hospitalised with Covid is still 90% less even after 6 months.

I should imagine that the UK will booster everyone in the end anyway. Other countries are.

Try to ignore the anti Vax agenda which has heard the bat signal btw.

It doesn’t wane to nothing after six months.

Waning is disproportionately more in older people. It's unclear at the moment whether and when younger people need boosting, but most people are guessing at an annual schedule for the less vulnerable.

@Geamhradh - as you well know, some of us dare to question some of what’s going on. I know that instantly makes us conspiracy theorists in your eyes and off course anti-vaxxer’s even though many of the people asking questions have been vaccinated but the fact remains that there is much to question. If you’re not happy with that, you just carry on lapping up everything you are told and belittling people who have probably read more widely about covid than most of your “anti conspiracy” mates.

Why don’t you explain to me exactly what a vaccine passport is going to achieve, short or long term?

The article suggests that protection starts to wane after six months, which is vastly different from “everyone being effectively unvaccinated after 6 months.”

Also there is a massive difference between protection against hospitalisation and death - which remains at 90% after 6 months - and protection against infection.

I mean, the reasonable conclusion to draw from the article is that if a booster is offered (are you over 50, or CEV?) then you should take it, because you are in a group for whom the possible waning protection might make a material difference.

The booster is being rolled out to groups 1-9 alongside vaccinating age 12-15. I presume it’ll be followed by a decision on giving a second dose to 16-17 and 12-15 year olds and boosters to 18+ at 6 months after second dose. It’s the group 1-9 who are at the 6 month stage, others might have had dose 2 quite recently. Of course if rates of infection decrease then there might not be the need.

[quote Lostinacloud]@Geamhradh - as you well know, some of us dare to question some of what’s going on. I know that instantly makes us conspiracy theorists in your eyes and off course anti-vaxxer’s even though many of the people asking questions have been vaccinated but the fact remains that there is much to question. If you’re not happy with that, you just carry on lapping up everything you are told and belittling people who have probably read more widely about covid than most of your “anti conspiracy” mates.[/quote]
Oh, I have no doubt you have read more widely than most of us.
It's what you read and link to that tends to get you deleted, isn't it?
Do you have any reputable (note: reputable) sources for us today? I've noticed you tend to do the "I've heard that/people say/it's been said" stuff recently. Y'know, rather than actual links showing us what, and more importantly, who is doing the actual saying.

Many of us (group 6 here) aren't at the 6 month point yet anyway so very few people not in 1-9 are going to be at that point (my dd will be in June as she was vaccinated early)

Ha. as if by proof of the censorship going on, my post which had no links and purely stated data facts available on government websites is deleted. It amazes me that people still don’t think something a bit odd is going on!

@Lostinacloud

Ha. as if by proof of the censorship going on, my post which had no links and purely stated data facts available on government websites is deleted. It amazes me that people still don’t think something a bit odd is going on!

The final sentence of your post was misinformation about vaccinations. If people were to believe the lies you continue to spread on here, they could well put their lives at risk. If your final sentence from yesterday is in a scientific paper, then go ahead and show it to HQ. I'll even apologize for reporting you.

“It amazes me that people still don’t think something a bit odd is going on!”

I thought something odd was going on last winter when there were queues of ambulances across hospital car parks, and vital operations were being cancelled that had never been cancelled before. I think it’s odd that precisely nine months since testing positive I am still bloody coughing - not all the time but significant flare ups. I am in my fifties not my eighties by the way.
Your conviction that you have the truth and the rest of us are blind and blinkered also seems a bit odd to me.

OP, the immunity does wane after 6 months (actually after 4-5 months) but it doesn't disappear. The decrease is not huge, but enough to be worrying if you are elderly or have a serious health condition.
That is why those groups are getting a booster in the UK.
In Israel everyone over 12 is getting a booster after 5 months.
In USA everyone over 18 is offered a booster.

Wait and see what happens after the elderly and vulnerable are given their boosters, it may well be that everyone else gets offered a booster too (just like after the initial vaccination of groups 1-9).
Don't assume you won't get one at all.
Particularly when other countries do have vaccine passports and may start requiring the booster as part of this (Israel already do this - vaccine passport expires 6 months after 2 dose and so you need a booster to keep it valid). If more touristy places start doing the same, the pressure will be on the government from the tourist industry to enable UK tourists to be able to get a booster. For this government it is mostly about money and donors, so it will probably happen sooner or later.

Do you remember those carefree days when we were just going to vaccinate the old and vulnerable and then we could have our freedoms restored...?

Realistically, it's going to be boosters every 6 months, I think. To my mind, the real question regarding the boosters is not "how often will we need them?" but "what is the safety profile of a 3rd, 4th, 5th dose?"

By which I mean, we see that some adverse events are evident at the first dose, whilst others become more common after a second dose. If there is an accumulation of risk with successive doses, what are the implications for ongoing boosters?

This kind of information really is fundamental to being able to give informed consent, and yet is conspicuous by its absence.

Just watch out @IncredulousOne, you are daring to raise a question about the narrative and also the requirement for anyone but the elderly and vulnerable to be vaccinated. That sort of talk is forbidden. Notwithstanding, I wholeheartedly agree and would also like more available information before being content that I am able to give informed consent for myself or my children.
Just today Sweden has announced that it will no longer give Moderna to under 30’s, Pfizer is the same sort of vaccine so where does that leave the vaccinating teens debate?

Compared to April 2020, and January 2021, a very large proportion of freedoms have been restored. And that has been possible in large measure because of vaccination.

Just imagine where we would be if 90% plus of adults had not been vaccinated. We would be navigating the seesaw between hospitalisation/death rates and restrictions. We would have more restrictions, AND more dead people. Or, no restrictions and a LOT more dead people.

But, yeah, vaccines = bad thing, of course.

"The Pfizer vaccine is safe and effective. Get your jab." Any adverse reactions aren't caused by the vaccine - they're just coincidental...

...at least up until the point where the evidence becomes so overwhelming that they can no longer ignore it (e.g. blood clots with AZ, myocarditis and menstrual changes with Pfizer, etc etc etc)

@IncredulousOne

Do you remember those carefree days when we were just going to vaccinate the old and vulnerable and then we could have our freedoms restored...?

No. I remember when we were going to begin by vaccinating them and then obviously vaccinating the rest of the population though.

Why though @Geamhradh? Covid overwhelmingly affects the same demographic as annual flu and we have never before decided that entire populations need vaccinating against that respiratory virus.
Also, still waiting for you to tell me why vaccine passports have any effect on the health situation and why they should be widely implemented?