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clarkkentsglasses · 27/09/2021 18:41

3 jabs in less than a year, and doesn't actually protect you or stop transmission?

I'll have 5

CoffeeWithCheese · 27/09/2021 19:41

Because I still have a fucked up menstrual cycle.
Because since I got it done the atmosphere and rhetoric about vaccines has got so toxic and coercive I don't agree with how things are being done and it's the only way I can really protest about that.
I took the jab to try to get my kids their lives back - and we're still in the same shit, slightly rebranded - and the more we learn - the more the vaccines seem to be as much use as a bloody chocolate fireguard to be honest.

bluetongue · 28/09/2021 09:55

@lightand

Interested to know how long people think their original two vaccines will last for?

I too dont get if you had it the first time around, why not carry on having it?
Or did people only get it the first time because either others did, or the government were pushing for it?

I was more than happy to get the initial 2 jabs but the rumblings from some ‘experts’ that seem to think we need 6 monthly boosters in perpetuity have me concerned. I’m just not convinced that they are needed for young, healthy people not working in high risk areas.

Ginandfantalemon · 28/09/2021 10:38

Can someone please clarify something for me please. Is this booster a matter of choice? (I know they were all a matter of choice, but what I mean is that will we not be 'fully vaccinated' if we don't take the third one. Will we be allowed to travel if we have only had two. What does it mean for vaccine passports? Have we been told this and have I just missed it? I want to be able to travel but feel uncomfortable taking a third with so little information. If I can travel with two, then I wont take a third. I honestly believed once I had been vaccinated life would look a bit more normal but just don't feel this will ever happen now. It's so bloody depressing. I've not felt well since I had my first and my health anxiety now is through the roof. I also am finding it hard to understand how people are so understanding and trusting and just stick their arms out with excitement. Why are the Government and NHS not being clearer about it all? Why are they not or their pedestals now explaining the importance of it all. Is it not that important? Why cant we get an antibody test first? How do we know if the first two have even worked for us? If not, why take a third? Are they just assuming that everybody is jumping up and down with anticipation of another jab? So many bloody questions!!!

OuiOuiBonjour · 28/09/2021 10:46

@Ginandfantalemon

Can someone please clarify something for me please. Is this booster a matter of choice? (I know they were all a matter of choice, but what I mean is that will we not be 'fully vaccinated' if we don't take the third one. Will we be allowed to travel if we have only had two. What does it mean for vaccine passports? Have we been told this and have I just missed it? I want to be able to travel but feel uncomfortable taking a third with so little information. If I can travel with two, then I wont take a third. I honestly believed once I had been vaccinated life would look a bit more normal but just don't feel this will ever happen now. It's so bloody depressing. I've not felt well since I had my first and my health anxiety now is through the roof. I also am finding it hard to understand how people are so understanding and trusting and just stick their arms out with excitement. Why are the Government and NHS not being clearer about it all? Why are they not or their pedestals now explaining the importance of it all. Is it not that important? Why cant we get an antibody test first? How do we know if the first two have even worked for us? If not, why take a third? Are they just assuming that everybody is jumping up and down with anticipation of another jab? So many bloody questions!!!

No one will be able to answer that yet as nothing has been announced re travel.

As it stands it's only over 50s, frontline health and social care and anyone who is CEV or in groups 1-6 who is being offered it. Non vulnerable, non health or social care staff under 50 may never be offered a booster as they aren't considered to be especially at risk of serious illness and death and immunity doesn't fall off a cliff at the 6 month mark. Or they may be offered one to try and reduce case rates and it may become a condition of travel. No one knows.

We could get into the New Year and find the government stops testing and Covid is treated like any other illness by the media.

It's all uncertain.

IncredulousOne · 28/09/2021 10:47

I think people are beginning to see that they have been led up the garden path...

3 week lockdown to flatten the curve

Eat out to help out

Another lockdown to save Christmas

Vaccines will get us back to normality

Vaccines for the old and vulnerable

Vaccines for the middle aged

"No plans to vaccinate children" (that's just a conspiracy theory)

"The vaccines are safe and effective, to any new medical issues you've had after the jab are just coincidental"

Vaccines for the young adults ("once they're vaccinated, we'll reach herd immunity"

"Boosters are just a conspiracy theory"

We need to vaccinate schoolchildren (overriding JCVI advice).

We need boosters (how often...?)

...

But don't worry, I'm sure everything can go back to normal once you've had your booster!

Wabola · 28/09/2021 10:54

@Ginandfantalemon

Can someone please clarify something for me please. Is this booster a matter of choice? (I know they were all a matter of choice, but what I mean is that will we not be 'fully vaccinated' if we don't take the third one. Will we be allowed to travel if we have only had two. What does it mean for vaccine passports? Have we been told this and have I just missed it? I want to be able to travel but feel uncomfortable taking a third with so little information. If I can travel with two, then I wont take a third. I honestly believed once I had been vaccinated life would look a bit more normal but just don't feel this will ever happen now. It's so bloody depressing. I've not felt well since I had my first and my health anxiety now is through the roof. I also am finding it hard to understand how people are so understanding and trusting and just stick their arms out with excitement. Why are the Government and NHS not being clearer about it all? Why are they not or their pedestals now explaining the importance of it all. Is it not that important? Why cant we get an antibody test first? How do we know if the first two have even worked for us? If not, why take a third? Are they just assuming that everybody is jumping up and down with anticipation of another jab? So many bloody questions!!!

I did see in the news a month or so ago that some countries were putting a 270 day expiry on vaccine passports, Austria was one of them

lightand · 28/09/2021 11:23

@bluetongue I was never happy about them from the start. Then the stuff came out about blood clots, and since I had long covid which messed about with my blood in various ways, I have shied away from them.

Now, far from being in the minority, I seem to be in the majority about vaccines. Which seems kind of surreal.

TheBlueBear89 · 28/09/2021 11:27

Sorry to butt in, but is there any accurate data on how much the vaccines actually reduce transmission with the delta variant? Have had a quick Google but it seems the vaccines aren't great at reducing transmission (although I could be wrong) They seem to be doing a very good job of offering personal protection against serious illness which is great on a personal level as well as stopping the NHS becoming overwhelmed. What I don't understand though is the narrative that
some people (particularly those who work in care) considered selfish if they don't want the vaccine/booster? Not trying to be goady, genuinely curious. Just to add I've had both vaccines and will get a booster if offered but interested in other people's POV with regards to others been seen as selfish.

Megistotherium · 28/09/2021 12:18

@EachandEveryone

I have asked they just say they dont see the point, espevially if theyve had Covid as well as the vaccines.

Then it just makes total sense? Vaccine + natural immunity seems to be the best combo.

I will have it if I'm offered, but I can see some people think it's not necessary.

Horst · 28/09/2021 12:46

My parents have said they won’t be getting it and looking back if they could do it again they wouldn’t of bothered with the first two jabs.

Cookerhood · 28/09/2021 12:51

It's just crazy to say the vacciens don't help with transmission. They enormously reduce your chance of catching it in the first place, and therefore prevent transmission.
I will have it to protect a vulnerable family member. Honestly, look at the data, we would be in an incredible mess if it wasn't for the vaccines.

ADreadedSunnyDay · 28/09/2021 12:53

I won't be having the booster. I have some protection - hopefully my Tcells will do their job and remember how to fight covid. I also think I've probably been exposed to covid given I have a school age child. I think vaccinations are important for the over 70s / CEV etc but not so much for me

ADreadedSunnyDay · 28/09/2021 12:55

Also not prepared to have AZ after having Pfizer. Everything gone quiet on the blood clots issue

WouldBeGood · 28/09/2021 12:55

@IncredulousOne

I think people are beginning to see that they have been led up the garden path...

3 week lockdown to flatten the curve

Eat out to help out

Another lockdown to save Christmas

Vaccines will get us back to normality

Vaccines for the old and vulnerable

Vaccines for the middle aged

"No plans to vaccinate children" (that's just a conspiracy theory)

"The vaccines are safe and effective, to any new medical issues you've had after the jab are just coincidental"

Vaccines for the young adults ("once they're vaccinated, we'll reach herd immunity"

"Boosters are just a conspiracy theory"

We need to vaccinate schoolchildren (overriding JCVI advice).

We need boosters (how often...?)

...

But don't worry, I'm sure everything can go back to normal once you've had your booster!

Yes @IncredulousOne

I believe nothing now

Cookerhood · 28/09/2021 12:57

Also not prepared to have AZ after having Pfizer. Everything gone quiet on the blood clots issue
Why do you think they would give you AZ? All the boosters are Pfizer at the moment.

Cookerhood · 28/09/2021 12:57

And it's gone quiet because it's really not much of an issue.

TheHouseILiveIn · 28/09/2021 12:57

@Horst

My parents have said they won’t be getting it and looking back if they could do it again they wouldn’t of bothered with the first two jabs.

Why's that? And how old are your parents?

guiltynetter · 28/09/2021 13:01

I work for NHS I won't be having my booster. The side effects of the jab were horrible, I had constant headaches for 3 weeks after the second one not to mention the worry about the blood clots. It also affected my periods which I didn't like. I've had 2 jabs and covid so ill take my chances.

userxx · 28/09/2021 13:02

@EachandEveryone

I had mine today and I told a couple of people at work (nhs) and they both said they arent having it but didnt really say why. They happily had the first two. Turns out alot of people at work arent having the booster. I personally couldnt wait but now Im wondering if I needed it?

Why couldn’t you wait for it ? Didn’t you question if you needed it or not?

I won’t be having mine. The first two jabs have set something off in my joints and I wont risk further pain. .

wasthataburp · 28/09/2021 13:04

Most people don't get the flu vaccine every year so maybe they are viewing it the same. Or maybe they felt ill after the first so don't want to do it again.

OuiOuiBonjour · 28/09/2021 13:05

@ADreadedSunnyDay

Also not prepared to have AZ after having Pfizer. Everything gone quiet on the blood clots issue

Only Pfizer or a 1/2 dose of Moderna are being used for the booster.

You won't be offered AZ. Moderna is usually offered to the people who can't have Pfizer.

Lampzade · 28/09/2021 13:05

I have had Covid and two Covid jabs. I really don’t want the booster. The second jab knocked the stuffing out of me and I was ill for two weeks.

ADreadedSunnyDay · 28/09/2021 13:06

Re the reference to AZ - not convinced I wouldn't be coerced to take AZ if they ran out of Pfizer tbh. They've changed their minds a lot over who can have what vaccine and the benefits/risk thereof. Utter lack of transparency from many of the medical professionals IMO.
Can't help but think the pharmaceutical industry will be pushing as many people as possible to have boosters, or be vaccinated. It's how they make their money

wasthataburp · 28/09/2021 13:06

@IncredulousOne

I think people are beginning to see that they have been led up the garden path...

3 week lockdown to flatten the curve

Eat out to help out

Another lockdown to save Christmas

Vaccines will get us back to normality

Vaccines for the old and vulnerable

Vaccines for the middle aged

"No plans to vaccinate children" (that's just a conspiracy theory)

"The vaccines are safe and effective, to any new medical issues you've had after the jab are just coincidental"

Vaccines for the young adults ("once they're vaccinated, we'll reach herd immunity"

"Boosters are just a conspiracy theory"

We need to vaccinate schoolchildren (overriding JCVI advice).

We need boosters (how often...?)

...

But don't worry, I'm sure everything can go back to normal once you've had your booster!

Good post!!!