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Is this correct re. Infection before & after vaccine?

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Skippingabeat · 27/09/2021 01:34

My friend told me that she has noticed that a couple of friends who had a mild COVID the first time, then had the vaccine, then had COVID a second time have been really bad the second time.
I only know one family who has COVID twice and they weren't vaccinated and it was mild to moderate for all of them the two times.
Does anyone know people who had COVID then vaccine then 2nd COVID infection? Is there any truth to what she's saying? (She's vaccinated and never had COVID so she was just mentioning what she noticed and wasn't vaccine bashing).

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HappyHippoWhatAMess · 27/09/2021 05:12

It was probably the delta variant second time, which appears to be more severe than some of the other subtypes that were previously circulating. How fortunate that they were vaccinated by the time delta was around!

Orangejuicemarathoner · 27/09/2021 05:14

@HappyHippoWhatAMess

It was probably the delta variant second time, which appears to be more severe than some of the other subtypes that were previously circulating. How fortunate that they were vaccinated by the time delta was around!
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Waxonwaxoff0 · 27/09/2021 05:58

A couple of friends experiencing it is hardly grounds for coming to scientific conclusions. It'll just be a coincidence.

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Skippingabeat · 27/09/2021 06:17

@Waxonwaxoff0

A couple of friends experiencing it is hardly grounds for coming to scientific conclusions. It'll just be a coincidence.
That is why I'm asking here. To see if it's a coincidence or a trend.
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Toty · 27/09/2021 06:18

It's possible. In animals studies the vaccinated developed more severe disease when exposed to the wild virus post vaccination than the unvaccinated animals. There's mention of this in the astra zenica trialist consent forms. It actually states we do not yet know if this will occur in humans.

Egghead68 · 27/09/2021 06:19

Probably because it was delta this time, as others have said.

SonnetForSpring · 27/09/2021 06:42

Delta is worse than alpha.

whatswithtodaytoday · 27/09/2021 06:44

If that were the case we'd be seeing far worse hospitalisation stats from the high numbers of cases, not massively reduced ones.

Imnothereforthedrama · 27/09/2021 07:25

Like others say different variant . I personally don’t think enough people have had it twice to conclude that .

CiderWithLizzie · 27/09/2021 07:29

Be vaccinated reduces your likelihood by a factor of about 10, so I think it’s a load of anecdotal crap.

Mybalconyiscracking · 27/09/2021 07:30

Are you looking for a reason not to have the vaccination OP?

2pointfourmonkeys · 27/09/2021 08:52

I currently have Covid for a second time, just less that a year after the first. Double pfizer vaccinated over 6 months ago. It's definitely milder this time, i'm much less fatigued and i haven't lost my smell/taste this time around.

MRex · 27/09/2021 09:20

Delta has over 1200 times the viral load of the original variant; unfortunately that makes people more likely to be infected, more infectious when infected and more unwell. There are also still a raft of people who didn't get tested in the initial wave but were unwell and therefore are not certain if they actually had covid or something else; mistakes may be made there.

Bluepinkyellowcakes · 27/09/2021 09:27

I thought that delta was milder? It spreads easier and quicker but the symptoms of it are more cold like aren't they? So given that delta is the dominant strain most people infected with it now whether vaccinated or not should find it less severe than the other variants? Have not had it at all myself that I know of, just wondering why some say this version is worse when others say its more of a cold now. Its strange how it has always affected people so differently though, some people you'd expect to struggle sail through and others who should have it easy end up havi g a real bad time with it. Unpredictable.

MRex · 27/09/2021 09:45

@Bluepinkyellowcakes - it's milder because most people are vaccinated, and vaccination reduces illness significantly so hospitalisation and death rates reduced. Unvaccinated will have a higher risk of hospitalisation and death than previous variants; for kids it was always mild so less of an issue, but bad news for adults.

Bluepinkyellowcakes · 27/09/2021 10:02

Thank you for your reply MRex, appreciated :-)

GoldFrankensteinAndGrrr · 27/09/2021 10:19

I had covid last year, double vaxxed by June this year, had it again in August. Second time around I was asymptomatic (I had a few sneezing fits and a migraine but I have allergies and migraines anyway so possibly/probably unrelated). DH also asymptomatic in August. We were all pretty unwell with it last year, DH particularly so.

Never heard of anyone being more seriously ill with a second infection and post vaccination, that's my little bit of anecdata for you OP.

pontypridd · 27/09/2021 10:44

Delta is no more severe than Alpha and also not significantly more contagious.

I was watching Zoe scientists discuss this at the weekend. We are being fed a myth by the media that this is the case.

Nerdygirl · 27/09/2021 11:00

I lived with my daughter while she had covid and no one else in the house got covid despite 1 unvaccinated , 1 half and 1 double and not isolating away . I am not that uncommon but that doesn’t suit the narrative of how contagious it is.

ollyollyoxenfree · 27/09/2021 11:10

@pontypridd

Delta is no more severe than Alpha and also not significantly more contagious.

I was watching Zoe scientists discuss this at the weekend. We are being fed a myth by the media that this is the case.

I think Tim Spector would be aghast that that was your take home message Grin
Egghead68 · 27/09/2021 11:11

@pontypridd

Delta is no more severe than Alpha and also not significantly more contagious.

I was watching Zoe scientists discuss this at the weekend. We are being fed a myth by the media that this is the case.

It’s around twice as likely to cause severe illness, as well as being twice as infectious.
ollyollyoxenfree · 27/09/2021 11:12

@Skippingabeat

My friend told me that she has noticed that a couple of friends who had a mild COVID the first time, then had the vaccine, then had COVID a second time have been really bad the second time. I only know one family who has COVID twice and they weren't vaccinated and it was mild to moderate for all of them the two times. Does anyone know people who had COVID then vaccine then 2nd COVID infection? Is there any truth to what she's saying? (She's vaccinated and never had COVID so she was just mentioning what she noticed and wasn't vaccine bashing).
Vaccination doesn't make your symptoms of COVID more severe.

If it did we'd be seeing this trend globally with increased numbers of people with severe symptoms, needing hospital care and dying. We see the opposite.

Egghead68 · 27/09/2021 11:13

I think you are badly misunderstanding Tim Spector and the Zoe scientists.

Pheasantlysurprised · 27/09/2021 11:18

@Mybalconyiscracking

Are you looking for a reason not to have the vaccination OP?
none of your business to be honest.
pontypridd · 27/09/2021 14:49

m.youtube.com/watch?utm_source=App&v=kTTMMmZfHmQ&feature=youtu.be

They say here that Delta is no more severe than Alpha and most likely not much more contagious.