Do they think our kids are stupid?

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Just that, they have been told for months to stay safe, give up everything to not catch covid etc now we are sending them into school when their friends have covid and they have been in close contact and they are supposed to just OK that's fine. How stupid do the government think they are?

I have chronic health issues but not considered CEV so no child vaccine and she doesn't want to go in catch it and bring it home but I have just had to send her in anyway. Shes saying it's stupid and she's right but it's going to get worse in the next week or so and I'm saving keeping her off until I absolutely have to.

Why oh why didn't they vaccinate over the summer?

It's inevitable now that she will catch it and give it to me, if it does set me back she will blame herself

The whole thing is shit

And before people start saying it's the new normal, what more do you want etc I want close contacts to PCR and stay home until results come through and children have been vaccinated.
There is no hope of tracking it now

The ‘jab’ has side effects for children and has negligible benefits.
The average age of death from the virus is 82.
Why are you risking our children? Doesn’t this bother you at all?

Indeed - the median and the mean is all over 80 - why on earth would we vaccinate at 14 year old

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

Isolation means disruption, major issues with education for a 3rd year for a group, that on the whole are least at risk. I’m sorry for your personal predicament but surely you can see it’s not sustainable to have kids repeatedly isolating for 10days over and over again.

They still have to isolate now if they are positive. It takes one day for a PCR test to com back

The school now say there has been in school transmission so masks are back for two weeks and lateral flow testing in school.

@FreshFreesias

The ‘jab’ has side effects for children and has negligible benefits. The average age of death from the virus is 82. Why are you risking our children? Doesn’t this bother you at all?

I'm not, it's up to other parents if the choose not to vaccinate, I would like to have had the option to before all safety measures were dropped. At least it would mean less chance of long covid for my child and a worsening situation for me in the long term

Just that, they have been told for months to stay safe, give up everything to not catch covid etc now we are sending them into school when their friends have covid and they have been in close contact and they are supposed to just OK that's fine.

I understand your situation is different but no that’s not how dc feel here.

@BogRollBOGOF

And do you propose to do this for every single illness that is potentially a hazard to your health?

I appreciate that you have specific concerns, but as a general, if we keep disrupting education and opportunities for children to 2020-2021 standards, then while we won't have a "stupid" generation, we will have an under-educated, under-experienced generation, and that is to the detriment of all in society.

But that ONE DAY of disruption while waiting for a PCR test to keep things under control will be far less disruption than having to close the school in three weeks time because there are so many staff and children off

@ChrissyPlummer

It’s mad. I went out with my friend last Thursday. Got pinged by the app yesterday but told I didn’t have to isolate unless I had symptoms as I’m double-jabbed. They recommended I get a test.

I got a test, which thankfully was negative but it’s ridiculous that I could have been positive but symptomless and it’s OK that I go out and spread it around

Exactly

Once they’ve all got it this disruption will end

In fact it’ll end when we all decide to stop bloody testing given vast majority don’t have so much as a stuffy nose

OP you seem to want your child vaccinated and mitigation’s put in purely for your own benefit

Kids don’t need masks and bubbles

Teachers are vaccinated

Everyone else is low risk inc cev kids (they may be at more risk than most kids but that risk is still minuscule)

@SweetBabyCheeses99

The thing is, it wasn’t the Government that ever wanted schools to close or any of the interventions for them. They wanted to prioritise education. It was the Trade Unions that piled on all the pressure. Of course kids aren’t stupid, but it isn’t their fault that the adults around them have petrified them when there was no need for this in the first place. Shame on you for making your poor child feel like they are responsible for your ill health.

Wow

@AFuturisticalSound I know that we could be positive and not know. However, they contacted me to say I’d been in close contact with a positive case but did not need to isolate unless I had symptoms. Like I said to the meeting chair, I wouldn’t attend if I was still awaiting results as I’d have to get the train there and back and be among 15-20 people for a few hours. I think the right thing to do would be to isolate, but I appreciate not everyone has the option.

*that opinion, that should have been.

I now believe the strategy is for the young and healthy to catch it and combine infection acquired antibodies with a vaccine booster.

Everything before now has been simply to get us to the point where every adult has had the offer to protect themselves from dying by having the vaccines. Now Coronavirus can run free so in time it's just another unpleasant but mostly survivable bug.

We all had it in January despite being super careful. It's now rife in DDs Primary school. They've just gone back to bubbles and no whole school assemblies but, to be honest, the chance to contain it has passed.

They are vaccinating from today, my local secondary has the vaccination team in for 3 days this week, unfortunately less than half the parents have signed the forms

The government and public are continuing to pretend this 'new normal' is perfect for everyone, while also pretending CEV, unwell and disabled people don't exist. Our lives aren't considered and definitely aren't valued.

now believe the strategy is for the young and healthy to catch it and combine infection acquired antibodies with a vaccine booster.

Unlike most of the world. Europe, America, East Asia, and the Middle East have decided against unnecessarily exposing their populations to the risk of long term disability of Long Covid. Likewise avoidable risks for their elderly and CV.

They've instead chosen to follow the science and implement mitigation measures. Masks, children vaccinated, etc.

@Tealightsandd

now believe the strategy is for the young and healthy to catch it and combine infection acquired antibodies with a vaccine booster.

Unlike most of the world. Europe, America, East Asia, and the Middle East have decided against unnecessarily exposing their populations to the risk of long term disability of Long Covid. Likewise avoidable risks for their elderly and CV.

They've instead chosen to follow the science and implement mitigation measures. Masks, children vaccinated, etc.

True. But if vaccine protection reduces over time perhaps the UK strategy of infection for the healthy plus a vaccine booster might give us the long term protection we need.

It sadly looks like vaccination alone doesn't do quite enough.

we will have an under-educated, under-experienced generation, and that is to the detriment of all in society.

If we cared about children's futures, we'd be tackling the public health housing emergency, and we wouldn't be taking away the £20 extra UC money from low income families and vulnerable individuals.

America, Europe, East Asia, and the Middle East are managing to educate their children AND take mitigation measures.

Good for society? I'd say being civilised is a key requirement to be good. And a civilised society benefits from teaching our children (and adults) to have compassion, empathy, and concern for the financially and/or clinically vulnerable.

It's one day (optimistically) for each exposure, which will likely mean several weeks total over the course of a year. And that wouldn't accomplish much anyway, because them getting one negative PCR test on that particular day doesn't mean they weren't recently infected, and won't be positive and contagious a few days later. If you want to ensure that, the missed time would be a lot more than one day each time.

The US doesn't have any kind of uniform strategy - it's decided at the state or local level. In some places, schools are still remote. In others, they're in-person with optional masks and little or not other mitigation measures. Most are somewhere in the middle. It seems to be working out fine for children - it's just not all that dangerous to them.

@SisterJude

It's inevitable now that she will catch it and give it to me, if it does set me back she will blame herself

Only because you've obviously made damn sure to tell her that if you get covid it will be from her and so her fault. What shit parenting.

Eeerr no I haven't actually

It sadly looks like vaccination alone doesn't do quite enough.

A) As time goes on new treatments are coming. We've just approved the use of monoclunal antibodies (the treatment given to Trump last year when he was hospitalised) for use in the CV. Other treatments are also being trialled. It would be foolish, unscientific, and needlessly reckless to throw our hands up and get rid of simple and easy mitigation measures in the meantime. Which leads to...

B) It would be sensible to follow the science (as Europe, America, East Asia, and the Middle East are doing) and defend on more than one front. They're managing to open up but with mitigation measures like masks mandates and ventilation.

if vaccine protection reduces over time perhaps the UK strategy of infection for the healthy plus a vaccine booster might give us the long term protection we need.

And it might not. Aside from the risk of Long Covid including potential organ damage, it's a new disease (with the threat remaining of mutations). We're still learning and can't yet know exactly how it might impact on somebody long term.

The vaccines, particularly mRNA, remain highly effective, and once boostered even more so. It's nothing new if we need to booster jab. We don't say oh no, last year's jab won't be enough so let's just not bother trying to keep people safe and reduce pressure on the NHS. We give annual flu jabs.

The US doesn't have any kind of uniform strategy

True. Some states are following the science more than others. Those with high numbers of cases, hospitalisations, and deaths are the ones without mask mandates and low vaccine take up. Elsewhere schools are back - but with masks.

In the US Children over 12 have been eligible for vaccination for several months.

They're now aiming to vaccinate under 12s by Halloween.

It's also relevant to take into account vaccine type. Astrazeneca is still very good but it's not as effective as the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna).

OP sorry if I've missed it. How old is she?

The 12+ vaccinations started today. For all children over 12 who want it - not only those who are CV or with CV family members. She should be able to get it soon - maybe this week.

Also, I know you said you're not CEV but boosters are going to be offered to all CV adults too. It has to be 6 months after your second. If it's not 6 months yet, try to reassure her. Now that you've had two jabs, whether AZ, Pfizer, or Moderna, you're at much lower risk. The majority of deaths are in the unvaccinated. Also the NHS has just approved the monoclonal antibody treatment for some more vulnerable patients. Treatment options are improving.

I'm sorry she's going through the worry. It must be hard for her (and you too).