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Childcare for antivaxxer

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Mydogneedsabath · 31/08/2021 10:28

Now the colder weather is setting in, I’m wondering (&worrying) about our usual childcare responsibilities.
We have always had our granddaughters aged 4&6 while their mum trained and now works part time ( hairdresser) they often stop overnight.
Last winter there was no vaccine and we were in a “ bubble” Both my husband and I were vaccinated as soon as possible (& assumed she would as well)
Over the year she has become more and more anti the vaccine, gets stressed when her clients assume she’s been jabbed and although I respect her choice I’m now thinking about mine and worrying about the potential family fall out if I suggest she doesn’t come in when dropping the girls off or collecting them.

OP posts:

FlowerArranger · 31/08/2021 10:32

Not helping.... but there's no way I'd get my hair done by someone who hasn't been vaccinated.

Raindancer411 · 31/08/2021 10:34

If she cares for you, she will respect any rules/wishes you put in place, esp if it means she still gets her childcare. She should be bending over backwards to you for that...

MrsSkylerWhite · 31/08/2021 10:35

If you’re seeing the children anyway, there’s not much point in avoiding their mum.

With a CEV husband, I’d have to stop offering childcare.

Chessie678 · 31/08/2021 10:35

But the children aren’t vaccinated anyway and you’ll be spending longer with them and probably be in closer proximity?

BluebellsGreenbells · 31/08/2021 10:37

The children are more risk - both will be at school mixing with the unvaccinated classes and possible teachers.

With the new rules they can attend school with positive cases at home.

amicissimma · 31/08/2021 10:38

I think it's entirely up to you what conditions you wish to impose on any offer of childcare.

If she doesn't agree and doesn't respect you wishes she'll have to look elsewhere.

MyCatDribbles · 31/08/2021 10:40

If you’re that worried I would stop childcare. Children are vectors for covid more than adults

NailsNeedDoing · 31/08/2021 10:40

If you want to carry on caring for the children, it doesn’t seem worth the fallout to stop their mum coming in the house when it would be more likely spread via the children anyway.

PlanDeRaccordement · 31/08/2021 10:45

Honestly, the risk is mostly on your daughter as she is unvaccinated. You two are vaccinated and probably will have a booster jab in a few months being on the CV list. You are as well protected as possible and I don’t think you need to worry about her popping in when dropping off or collecting the children or with doing childcare. As others have pointed out, the children are more risk to you than your daughter, but even so the risk is still very low because you are fully vaccinated.

Lostinacloud · 31/08/2021 10:48

Have you read any news lately? Vaccines don’t stop transmission. You’re protected, what’s the problem? You’re being ridiculous and frankly so is everyone who doesn’t want to be near an unvaccinated person. Makes zero sense. People have gone mad

Nodancingshoes · 31/08/2021 10:50

It is my understanding that the virus can be passed on regardless of vaccination - it just limits the effect of the illness. Therefore having the vaccination is to protect yourself rather than others? Correct me if I'm wrong. If you are vaccinated you will have protected yourself against the virus rather than unvaccinated people

x2boys · 31/08/2021 10:51

You can still catch covid with the vaccine.

User56439876 · 31/08/2021 10:51

Why are you you looking after the DC if you are that worried.

Whiskers4 · 31/08/2021 10:52

I think you have to do what you feel comfortable with and we all have to accept what's right for each individual even if it causes upset. Not quite the same thing, but I feel more comfortable wearing a mask and being served by someone who's wearing one, consequently it was a staff member wearing a mask who got the bonus on a £500 purchase made recently, - I wasn't being deliberately nasty to the non mask wear, but knew I'd be with the server for a good few minutes and wanted to feel as safe as possible - the non mask wearer lost the bonus - if they realise why this is sometimes happening, they'll have to accept it as well.

storkstalk · 31/08/2021 10:53

Vaccines don’t STOP transmission but they’re proven to reduce it so I think the OPs question is reasonable. If you’re not comfortable then don’t offer the childcare for the time being

Peanutsandchilli · 31/08/2021 11:11

At the end of the day, the children are not going to be vaccinated for a long time (or possibly at all) so I think you need to assess your feelings on that, rather than on whether their mum has been vaccinated. There's no point in banning her from entering your house if you're willing to look after the children.
You're either happy to provide childcare, or you're not, but you need to let her know asap.

BungleandGeorge · 31/08/2021 11:14

Can you ask her to wear a mask inside the house? It is the children who are more likely to give you covid though

PlanDeRaccordement · 31/08/2021 11:15

@x2boys

You can still catch covid with the vaccine.

Yes, if there is a rare vaccine failure but even then, the risk of serious Covid complications is extremely low and risk of hospitalisation is 1 in a million, and risk of death is 1 in 10 million.

“A breakthrough infection is one that occurs after full vaccination.

In an article published in MMWR, the CDC reported 10,262 breakthrough infections through the end of April 2021. By that point, more than 100 million Americans had received the COVID-19 vaccine.

The vast majority of breakthrough infections were asymptomatic, mild, or moderate. About 1,000 people with breakthrough infections were hospitalized, and 160 died, though the hospitalizations and deaths were not always related to COVID-19.

These numbers tell us that the vaccines are doing a good job preventing infection and severe illness. None of the vaccines were 100% effective in clinical trials, so a small number of breakthrough infections was expected.”
www.health.harvard.edu/covid-19/covid-19-vaccines

PlanDeRaccordement · 31/08/2021 11:16

@Whiskers4

But what if the non mask wearer is exempt for medical reasons? Aren’t you just discriminating on the basis of disability?

Kiduknot · 31/08/2021 11:19

Either all of them or none of them really. Difficult position to be in.

CyclingIsNotOuting · 31/08/2021 11:19

The 6yr old (and 4yr old?) will be mixing with lots of children at school.
If you’re happy to accept that level of risk, her unvaccinated mother isn’t going to make much difference.

yikesanotherbooboo · 31/08/2021 11:32

I have very little patience with those who aren't vaccinated, particularly if they are in public facing roles. Having said that afaik hairdressers are still pulling out all the stops as far as infection control is concerned so I assume your DD is less at risk from her occupation than she is from her DC. They are the most likely vectors of infection to you.

Siameasy · 31/08/2021 11:49

I’d be more concerned that she will get Covid and become seriously ill herself. I can’t imagine catching it whilst unvaccinated (I have had it, still feel unwell and anxious about long term effects of Covid)
You’re more likely to catch it from the kids.

mumwon · 31/08/2021 12:21

covid vaccine "escape" is NOT that rare with Delta - I say this because my ds & his friends all caught it he had had both vaccines they had at least one (maybe 2 not sure of that) he was unwell for several days & still doesn't have his sense of smell back months later (young fit adults)
The big issue now is how long & well does the vaccine immunity last & what in the individual or their age or condition makes it taper off quicker. Op is not worrying about an abstract threat - her dd is a hairdresser & is in close proximity to many people & who knows if they have vaccinated or who they have been in contact with. School age dc are a big spread threat & their mother needs to test them frequently as required by system advice - if not more because of you & she needs to check herself
You need to talk to her about your worries - as of yet we do not know who will get the booster - the advice seems to be only for those extra vulnerable & not for those who may well be quite vulnerable but not on the list, which does not cover everybody who may not have good immunity due to multiple combinations of health issues
Problem with any vaccine is that it is only as effective as the individuals immunity allows

ACreakingGateNeverStops · 31/08/2021 12:22

Surely you are more at risk from catching covid from your grandchildren who will be unvaccinated and surrounded by other unvaccinated children at school/nursery?

Just because someone chooses not to be vaccinated doesn't mean they are automatically dripping with covid anymore than someone who can't or hasn't been offered the vaccine. The unvaccinated end result is still the same. You are equally at risk from your grandchildren as their mother.

Maybe the real reason for your angst is that you are just annoyed your daughter won't have the vaccine which is a whole different discussion.

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