To think friend is being really selfish

[Selfishmoms]

We are in Cornwall which has one of the highest case rates in the whole country and masks will be required in our schools thank goodness. Today I went round to see my friend and she has been quite against lockdowns she once shared some us for them stuff on Facebook. I have been highly cautious and took a LFT before we went. Today she was chatting to me and called it “disgraceful” that masks would be required and says she has written to the school to say her DD (14) is exempt and won’t be wearing one even though she isn’t. Aibu to think friend is being really selfish and it will be the fault of people like her if schools shut again.

Except the science says the masks are effective and if you’re arguing with the science and you don’t have a scientific background, you’re wrong.

Go on then, tell us how effective 'the science' says they are

I would imagine your friend’s dd is her priority. At 14 she’s now going into year 10 so her last year of uninterrupted education was year 7. I can understand why she’s against any more lockdowns and learning in a mask must be awful.

A virus will spread. It's what it does. It won't be your friend's fault. Blaming individuals is not helpful at all.

100% all your friends fault. She is solely responsible for allowing this virus to spread in schools in Cornwall.

HTH

When will the self righteous finger wagging stop?

Bring back the days when folk here whined on and on about the obesity crisis.

Yes, she is selfish.

There may be vulnerable children or staff so I agree with masks as it’s a simple measure to implement.
I’d be rethinking my friendship if they would rather put their own wants before the health of others personally.

@Imfedup12

They have very low rates of infections and mortality, unlike the U.K. they haven’t lost their freedom and they just get on with life.

You do realise Italy's Covid mortality rate over the course of the pandemic is higher than the UK's,?

Yes, she's selfish.

Or maybe she should be forced to wear a bell around her neck and shout 'unclean' as she walks around school?

I swear there are people on here who would actually love this

Good god are we still blaming people for the spread of a highly transmissible virus?!

Apparently. I suppose it's easier for some people than accepting the alternative.

She’s right that it’s disgraceful that children are being expected to wear masks to go to school.

No, it won’t be her fault if schools shut again. Teens going to school are not responsible for the pandemic, or the choices our government makes about controlling it.

I think she's awful for encouraging her child to lie to the school, whatever the reason.

No, it won’t be her fault if schools shut again. Teens going to school are not responsible for the pandemic, or the choices our government makes about controlling it.

How do you suppose our government can take measures to control the pandemic if people refuse to do their part to minimise covid spreading? Wave a magic wand?

[quote PurpleOkapi]@travellinglighter

Except the science says the masks are effective and if you’re arguing with the science and you don’t have a scientific background, you’re wrong.

You're conflating two different things. Whether masks are effective in a controlled laboratory setting is a very different question from whether mask mandates are effective in real life. And that, in turn, is a very different question from whether they're effective for children in schools. The science actually says requiring masks in schools is ineffective.

nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/the-science-of-masking-kids-at-school-remains-uncertain.html

If it isn't safe for a high-risk child to attend schools without a mask requirement, imposing such a requirement doesn't make them safer. Encouraging the parents of high-risk children to believe otherwise is encouraging them to needlessly risk their children's lives by sending them to school based on the mistaken belief that mandatory masking makes them substantially safer. And for what? To score political points? To look for someone to blame when the inevitable happens and lots of students get covid? None of that is a good reason for any of this. Wishful thinking isn't a substitute for science.

Also, whether someone is right or wrong depends on whether what they're saying is factually correct, not on whether they have this all-important "science background." If you do have such a background, then surely you know that facts don't change based on the qualifications of the speaker.[/quote]
So you’re evidence is an opinion piece from a magazine that says the science is uncertain whereas the advice from the government scientists says wear the mask. Is it a science magazine? Does it specifically quote which study says masks are not effective? Has the article been peer reviewed by scientists? Is it a single study or does it refer to lots of studies? I know it says that some European countries are not putting mask mandates in place but it does not give enough detail to say which age groups are being excused masks.

My point is, you’re getting evidence from a single study and bear in mind that it was a single study linking autism to the MMR jab that has caused a drop in MMR uptake.

No she is not “selfish” because she doesn’t share your political ideas/ values about covid.

No it will not be her fault if schools shut again. That will be the fault of the people who decide to advocate for/ shut the schools.

HTHs.

I agree that if you can wear a mask you should however I don’t think people choosing not to wear them will be the cause of a further lockdown

With masks being 90 per cent ineffective
I’m absolutely with your friend

@DancesWithTortoises
It’s what happens in society when people are forced to do things they disagree with it/ feel are nonsensical/ illogical

It’s always happened and will continue to happen as we edge more and more to a totalitarian society

@HailAdrian

Except the science says the masks are effective and if you’re arguing with the science and you don’t have a scientific background, you’re wrong.

Go on then, tell us how effective 'the science' says they are

More effective than no mask, does that help? Essentially covid is spread by airborne droplets from the upper respiratory system. Masks filter 50 to 80% of those droplets.

I agree with you OP, she is selfish. If everyone did their own tiny little bit, then collectively as a whole, we could make a bit of a difference.

@Itsnotover

No, it won’t be her fault if schools shut again. Teens going to school are not responsible for the pandemic, or the choices our government makes about controlling it.

How do you suppose our government can take measures to control the pandemic if people refuse to do their part to minimise covid spreading? Wave a magic wand?

Well, off the top of my head, one action the government could take if they wanted to would be to mandate masks. You cannot think that masks should be worn, while also absolving government of responsibility for removing the mandate.

Well, off the top of my head, one action the government could take if they wanted to would be to mandate masks. You cannot think that masks should be worn, while also absolving government of responsibility for removing the mandate.

Yes I see what you mean.

So am I to understand that schools can't enforce the wearing of masks anyway? And therefore should not be?

Apparently gavin Williamson has decided to shift the blame onto parents for the next wave

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-wave-schools-reopen-mass-testing-gavin-williamson-b1911202.html

How the fuck did we vote such a bunch of self serving pricks to be our government?