If someone in your household has tested positive....

[PerditaMacleod]

the need for other family members to isolate has been removed. In this scenario, would you be sending your children back to school next week? Although it's allowed under the rules, it doesn't seem right?! Surely it's going to spread like wildfire, but I guess that's what the govt is going for now?

Interested to see if anyone will be keeping their DC at home if only parent(s) are infected.

She’s a volunteer. She can do what the hell she likes in that role, as long as the children are safe. Cancel Brownies completely if she wants to.
Work/school is one thing, but optional extras are something else.
I’m inclined to agree with her tbh.

shes a volunteer she can do what the hell she likes in that role, as long as the children are safe. Cancel brownies completely if she wants to

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. And what does it have to do with children's safety? Children are not getting ill with covid so don't pretend this is to protect children.
As I said, people will just start lying or not testing if vigilantes start making up their own rules. Most children have little to no symptoms so what would be the point of excluding kids who don't have it but someone in their family does?
There's no way anyone can even monitor this kind of thing anyway so it's a moot point and just a ridiculous thing to say. Where will we be as a society if people start taking it upon themselves to say "well, I'm refusing anyone access who has a positive case at home?" We will never be able to get on with life will we?
The vaccines are working well, so what are people waiting for now or do you just want to prolong the misery bc you enjoy the little bit of power you perceive it gives you?

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

This could apply to the rules that the government now have in place. Just because you can go out and about as a close family contact doesn’t mean you should. For a volunteer running a brownie pack the pp can do as she likes in relation to her pack and covid.

Children are not getting ill with covid so don't pretend this is to protect children.

Some children are very ill with covid. Their parents/grandparents/relations can get ill with covid that they have caught from the children.

do you just want to prolong the misery bc you enjoy the little bit of power you perceive it gives you?

Did you mean to be so rude? I hope you give up plenty of your free time without pay to provide activities for young people, and I hope you don’t pick up an infection during one of your volunteering sessions.

For a volunteer running a brownie pack the pp can do as she likes in relation to her pack and covid.

How long for? Until she personally perceives the risk to be low enough? Covid isnt going away. She is choosing to try to prolong people having to isolate for what reason?
Yes she can request whatever she likes - doesn't mean people will take any notice and as I said - although I notice my points keep on being ignored - most kids won't have symptoms and will be at her brownie group anyway.

Did you mean to be so rude

If you want to perceive it as rudeness that's fine, I think it's honesty.

Some children are very ill with covid

Some children are very ill with lots of things. We dont cancel all activities and things they enjoy because a very very tiny minority of children are ill with something. You wouldn't cancel a group because one child had a bug would you?

hope you give up plenty of your free time without pay to provide activities for young people, and I hope you don’t pick up an infection during one of your volunteering sessions.

I do actually, I volunteer for a cancer charity. And I've had covid, as have most of my family and we've all been absolutely fine. As has everybody I know who has had covid.
You sound abnormally worried about catching covid - as though you think I would be very sick and die if I caught it and would get my just desserts? Sorry to disappoint you but it was just a mild flu-like illness as it is for the vast majority.

I am not picking on the brownie leader personally but using her as an example of why I think inventing your own rules is ridiculous and won't make any doffference to anything anyway. Covid is rife, it's out there and it's not going away - but the numbers of people getting seriously ill and dying is very low and now we must accept there we be a tiny risk and resume our lives.

Over and out.

How long for? Until she personally perceives the risk to be low enough?

Yes, if she so wishes

We dont cancel all activities and things they enjoy because a very very tiny minority of children are ill with something. You wouldn't cancel a group because one child had a bug would you?

Not what was said - asking a child not to attend, not cancelling the whole group. Stop exaggerating.

And I've had covid, as have most of my family and we've all been absolutely fine.

Great for you. My best friend was hospitalised. Not so great.

You sound abnormally worried about catching covid - as though you think I would be very sick and die if I caught it and would get my just desserts? Sorry to disappoint you but it was just a mild flu-like illness as it is for the vast majority.

Not abnormally worried and I don’t wish anyone ill, even you. Flu isn’t a mild illness (maybe you’ve never had it?) and I am pleased you personally didn’t suffer a bad covid bout. Not everyone is as lucky as you.

I am not picking on the brownie leader personally but using her as an example of why I think inventing your own rules is ridiculous

You were and are mocking her caution. She’s entitled to do as she sees fit and personal responsibility is what the government have told us to do. I hope the young people with cancer that you volunteer with don’t suffer from the risks that you seem happy to expose them to.

And you were rude, not just my perception.

The thing is that there is already a huge risk of there being someone covid positive in your classroom (or train or workplace), without anyone knowing. Because case numbers are so high now, and so many of them will be asymptomatic or nearly, due to the vaccine reducing the severity of symptoms. So allowing households of covid cases out and about doesn’t really add much to that risk.

In making the new rules, the govt has clearly taken the view that the horse has bolted and there’s no point trying to shut the stable door. Reluctantly I agree. I’m not happy about it but I think it’s impossible for test trace and isolate to have any hope of making a dent - covid seems to be everywhere already.

You have no right to make up your own rules. Most people will just stop testing now anyway for reasons like this

Most companies can and will make up their own rules, as they always have down - testing will eventually become the employers cost, same wit LFT - why shouldn’t he government continue to pay for them? How does one employer insist on 10 day LFT and others twice weekly?

Some employers will insist you stay home if it’s in your house - others will expect you to work even with symptoms.

What the brownie leader is trying to do isn’t about the children catching covid, but to stop children reading covid to their families.

*spreading

The government wants employers and individuals to access their own risk.

The high streets won’t survive if people refuse to go shopping if they feel the shop isn’t doing enough to protect the staff or customers, same with any other business.

@Bluebellsgreenbells - given how few people are wearing masks in shops now - both customers and staff - I think the idea that the public will stay away isn't likely.

Decision to isolate the household when the adults have covid is different to "if a child is at home with covid, with one parent anyway, will the other refuse to go to work when they don't need to be off ?"

Its going to be tough. Im sure the government has decided its better if we all catch it first term and then by Christmas we'll be running out of people who haven't had it yet.

My teenage DCs tested positive on a LFT on Thursday. Both had mild cold symptoms which I didn't think too much of tbh and only got DD to test as she was due to go to a sleepover as a precaution. DH & I (double jabbed) tested negative but all 4 of us are awaiting PCR results. I was at work when the DCs got their results. I work for a small company and my boss straightaway sent me to WFH - I can do so easily so easy decision for him to make. DH cannot WFH and works for a large well known national organisation. He was off shift at the time so called work for advice. The person he spoke to said that as the rules have now changed and the double jabbed don't have to isolate, he should come in. He went in this morning and a different manager has sent him home .

DH and I are not isolating but are limiting are interaction with others - so are going to the shops for but will not be going for a social night down the pub for example. I'm very much in the "learn to live with it" camp and very much want life to go back to normal as, at this stage, I feel the risks of ongoing damage to mental health, the economy etc outweigh the risks of the virus. However, even I'm surprised that you don't have to isolate if household members test positive and am really unsure if this was a sensible decisions by the government, which is why we've assessed our own risk and are being cautious (although we don't have to legally).

I'm hoping that DH and I remain negative not least as it may give assurance that the vaccine is doing it's job. The four of us recently returned from holiday so have been to all the same places. We were mostly outdoors and didn't really mix with others as had our own cottage. The only place I can think of is the Premier Inn we stayed in on way home - buffet breakfasts - few masks or social distancing there!

You do realise you have absolutely no authority to do that?

Of course she does! She’s a volunteer and perfectly able to make sensible decisions like this.

Most organisations will make up their own rules, it will be confusing, people won't understand why some companies/schools are "breaking the rules" by doing the legal minimum. Companies /organisations will have to deal with peoples anger that they are trying to stick to rules that aren't government guidelines. Imagine being the only school in the area that sends bubbles home - or the only one that doesn't.

Its going to be tough to do anything other than the government guidelines.

@SheWoreYellow

In Scotland the rest of the family needs a negative pcr to not have to isolate in this situation which seems like a reasonable compromise. I’d be LFTing at the very least though.

Exactly this. Is it not the same in England? If children go into schools and are asymptomatic, then teachers test positive vaccine or not, they will still have to self isolate. These rules are mad and will cause the closure of schools for sure because who will teach the children? The same as for workplaces! Lunacy!

At the very least PHE should say if there’s a positive case in the household, then the whole household should quarantine.

The current rules are going to cause endless disruption to education, this will sky rocket cases ( yes kids don’t get it that bad but eventually they will pass it on to vulnerable people where the vaccine hasn’t been that effective in them).

People needing surgery won’t be able to go to hospital because beds are occupied by covid patients.
More long covid.
Mix it all in the winter respiratory diseases.
Back into lockdown. 😒

Oh this lady broke my heart today:
twitter.com/loucarm85/status/1430974622493773833?s=21

Put yourself in her shoes for one minute!
What are we doing?!

'What about people coming in to the house where the positive person lives - is that different to someone from the household going out of the house, assuming the person coming in is double jabbed?'

The dude lines are clear that absolutely no one should be invited in if there is a positive case unless for medical need.

@TheSunnySide Have you found that written in black and white anywhere, as some employers of nannies are telling them to come in to work even though the parent has Covid.

DD tested positive a couple of weeks ago (just as the rules changed) DH and I didn't catch it (despite DD being 4 and us all behaving as normal, cuddles, etc.).

DH and I weren't required to isolate, but we still did, just because it felt weird and dodgy not to.

We are both very lucky though that we can work from home, and order supermarket deliveries etc.

[quote nannynick]@TheSunnySide Have you found that written in black and white anywhere, as some employers of nannies are telling them to come in to work even though the parent has Covid.
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I am in Wales so maybe it is different here.
However the NHS Covid tracker app has this information under the tab 'self-isolation'

I am currently isolating after testing positive.

I wonder if nannies and childcare is classed as 'essential care'.

If the infected person is isolating within their own home and the nanny has no contact with the positive case that may be why they say it is ok

Personally if I had a nanny I wouldn't be asking them to come here and look after my son.

If both parents are positive, and the dc are young, who will take them into school anyway?

@Popitdontstopit

If both parents are positive, and the dc are young, who will take them into school anyway?

I wonder what the new DfE attendance officers will say in answer to that?!

If my children have covid and I have to continue to go to school and teach, I’m presuming my 80 year olds parents will be expected to provide childcare for me?!

We won't have a choice with the childrens' schools, we've already been told they must go in or be marked as unauthorised absence. Our scout group has asked that we do not send children if there is covid in the household, as have their football club and music club. My SEN parent support group have also asked that we don't go to the face to face meetings if we're contacts as some of the children are CV/CEV and parents don't want to risk taking it home to them. It's all fair enough I think.

Dh wfh and I'm a sahm. I appreciate we are very lucky. We will obey the previous rules about isolating unless we are about to get fined.

"If my children have covid and I have to continue to go to school and teach, I’m presuming my 80 year olds parents will be expected to provide childcare for me?!"

I have covid at the moment and come out of isolation 2 days before my son goes back to school. I also work in a school so if DS catches Covid from me and has to isolate I am absolutely sure that my school
Won't be expecting him to go to his grandmother's.

Of course you will be allowed to stay off work until he is past his isolation period.

I suspect caring for children will be 'essential care'.