Are you letting child have the vaccine?

[GiveMeAUserName123]

I was just wondering if you have a child/ren between the ages of 12-16, that don’t have any medical conditions, or live with family members that are more at risk, will you be letting them have the vaccine?

My eldest will be turning 12 in the winter and I imagine will be given the choice to have it. I don’t think I want her too (I’ve had mine) but obviously it’s her body and her choice which is something that is held in high regard at home, so won’t voice against it, but if she does choose to have it, is she too young to decide something like this, as I’m not sure a child could really understand the full risk/benefit side of things.

How are you feeling about it in general?

@bumbleymummy

The benefits of vaccination, for the child, are considered to far outweigh the rare chance of adverse effects.

The JCVI recently said that they do not.

Why do you consistently quote things out of context @bumbleymummy.

Children shouldn't be getting the vaccine for the protection of others no.

But that isn't why the CHMP and others recommend offering the vaccine to 12-15 year olds. Myocarditis from the jab is extremely rare, and in most cases self-limiting and resolves quickly with no treatment. The benefits of vaccination, for the child, are considered to far outweigh the rare chance of adverse effects.

I never said the JCVI said this, but it has been bizarre how they've made a different decision to all others based on the same evidence.

If you don’t want your child to have a vaccine, fine, that’s your choice. It would be nice if those of us that would like their child to have it were given the option, without being made out to be stupid or cruel.

I’m not quoting out of context. I quoted the part that I’m replying to.

They’ve made their decision based on the data in the U.K. We have high vaccine uptake in older groups and high levels of antibodies (>94%) in over 16s (probably under 16s too). Based on this, the benefit to the child could be lower than in other countries and that could be why it isn’t considered to outweigh the risks.

My 13 and 15 year old are keen to get it if offered. I would also allow my 11 year old to get it if offered which seems even less likely.

@CarrieBlue

If you don’t want your child to have a vaccine, fine, that’s your choice. It would be nice if those of us that would like their child to have it were given the option, without being made out to be stupid or cruel.

How would you feel about parents who don’t decide to vaccinate their child? Would you still let your child play with theirs?

How would you feel about parents who don’t decide to vaccinate their child? Would you still let your child play with theirs?

This isn't something that should be used as a argument against offering the vaccine to 12-15 year olds just because there isn't strength in the other points you're trying to make.

Denying children access to a vaccine against COVID purely on the hypothetical basis some parents might do this is ridiculous. People like that will always be ridiculous, it will just be in some other form.

This isn't something that should be used as a argument against offering the vaccine to 12-15 year olds just because there isn't strength in the other points you're trying to make.

I’m not trying to. I’m asking the pp a question.

@FatAnkles - you don't have any choice. You don't get any say if you want to give up parental responsiblity. Your DD can go to the GP and they will speak to her and not you, if you call they will need her permission to speak to you.

These threads show that many parents do not understand the impact of Gillick.

Anyway evidently they will ask for parental consent for this. This time, and I assume it will stay that way if there is sufficient uptake.

Gillick will not be applied to a vaccine which is still in its trial period -covid is still for emergency use until 2023

@Watapalava do you know that for a fact?

A group of vaccinated people will transmit coronavirus significantly less than a group of unvaccinated people. It's ridiculous to try and argue this doesn't have substantial population level benefits.

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@Watapalava

Gillick will not be applied to a vaccine which is still in its trial period -covid is still for emergency use until 2023

You wouldn't think they'd be offering it to healthy people who are at low risk from covid while it is still under emergency use, but they are. I hope you are right, but the way things have been happening I'm not so sure.

[quote bumbleymummy]@EarringsandLipstick

No vaccine is 100% effective

I know. I haven’t stated otherwise. Again, there is difference between reduce and stop. In the context of what I was replying to, the vaccine is not going to stop transmission. I read plenty, thanks. Do you need me to point you in the directions of the studies I was referring to? They’ve been discussed quite extensively over the last few weeks so they’re not hard to find.

No, it’s not a competition. We were discussing the impact on children. Not sure why you feel the need to bring adults into it. Unless you think it’s a competition?[/quote]
Your posts are so strange. As before, it's impossible to debate meaningfully with you as you say half-baked rubbish, when challenged, with evidence you switch the goal posts.

The more people that are vaccinated, the less risk of transmission. That will be the viewpoint in any study you read. HTH.

Just think that they have most certainly already ‘played their part’ without having to have a vaccine (as the poster I was replying to mentioned).

Of course young people played their part, as did everyone else.

It's got nothing to do with getting vaccinated. Two entirely different points.

@bumbleymummy

Because ‘full blown COVID’ for children has been shown to be really mild for the vast majority based on well over a year of data? The vaccine does carry the risk of side effects which can be quite unpleasant and people may not want to take that risk for their children for something that may not be of that much benefit to them anyway (particularly when they may already be immune) .

Yes, but it's often not mild for others in the population who might become infected via contact with a child.

Equally long Covid is a risk for children, that (obviously) has not been fully researched yet.

My child is still a toddler, but I absolutely will not be vaccinating her with this jab when the time comes they pass them out to children.
The long terms effects of having the vaccine could potentially be way worse than the effects of having covid for her. It's a no brainer for me.

@bumbleymummy

The benefits of vaccination, for the child, are considered to far outweigh the rare chance of adverse effects.

The JCVI recently said that they do not.

In Ireland, it's offered to 12 - 15 yo, as in many other European countries. The UK is the outlier & it seems that this will also change soon.

@bumbleymummy

I’m not quoting out of context. I quoted the part that I’m replying to.

They’ve made their decision based on the data in the U.K. We have high vaccine uptake in older groups and high levels of antibodies (>94%) in over 16s (probably under 16s too). Based on this, the benefit to the child could be lower than in other countries and that could be why it isn’t considered to outweigh the risks.

Not the case. Ireland's rate of fully vaccinated across all age groups (18+) is very high, and we are offering it to 12 - 18 yo.

Mine just had it today due to CEV relative. They are delighted (and so am I)

The long terms effects of having the vaccine could potentially be way worse than the effects of having covid for her.

There is no evidence for this. Read the science on how the vaccine works.

There's further research about the safety and efficacy for this age group about to be published and I'd like to see that first before we make our decision, if there is one to be made

My kids are both still babies, but I don't think I'd let them have it even if they were older. DH has had both of his and I've had my 1st, but I waited till after my baby was born to get mine even though they said it was okay to get while pregnant. While I'm satisfied enough to have it myself, I'd need far more research and time for proof it's safe before I can get onboard with my kids having it.

@bumbleymummy - probably, but I have little to do with my nearly 12yo and 14yo ‘playing’ with anyone! Are you trying to pick some sort of fight? I couldn’t really care less what others decide for their children but I dislike very vocal lobbyists deciding that I don’t get the choice for my children because they don’t want their children vaccinated.

I waited till after my baby was born to get mine even though they said it was okay to get while pregnant.

I understand personal choice matters, but I also find this extremely hard to read.

It's not only OK. It's highly advisable. There have been some deeply sad cases of pregnant women who have died from Covid, including this tragic story that we've all followed in Ireland: www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-58309750.amp

Her baby was delivered & she appeared to be recovering. Sadly, she deteriorated and died, leaving a young family bereft. Her little baby girl was christened on the day of her funeral.

She wasn't vaccinated.

Mine are 14 and 12 and I would definitely let them have the vaccine.

I feel thankful every day that neither of them are CEV and know that reducing the levels of covid in the population is important for all, and especially those playing Russian Roulette every time they leave their homes.