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Unvaccinated mother at home with Covid sick

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Londonmummy00 · 25/08/2021 03:53

I am currently away abroad on holiday with my husband 2 young children on holiday. My mum who is 64 is home in the UK with Covid at home by herself. She is unvaccinated, believing all the conspiracy theories on facebook. She also believed that if she had not contracted Covid for all this time she wasn’t going to get it now, it would not happen to HER. She worked full time in a hospital throughout.

My mum and I have always had a very strained relationship, at its worst during the teen years and then we slowly ‘drifted apart’ when i left for university. I kept in contact but found our relationship, and her very difficult at times. She became more bitter after her divorce. We were not close although we did always speak once a week.

A week ago she told me she had gotten covid from a patient at work who tested positive during a routine test and had no symptoms. She already was home for 1 week with it when she told me (2 days before i was due to go on holiday with my family) She seemed ‘ok’ as far as mild covid goes, I rang her the night before our trip. However it’s now been 2 weeks of her being home with it and she sounds dreadful when i call (i call daily and text) She has an awful barking cough, can barely get a few words out together before she has to stop to rest and catch her breath, she cannot finish a sentence also due to barking cough. She’s on her own at home (divorced) She does have friends and family calling her daily to check on her but obviously no one has been to her house to physically check on her. Our family are dotted all over the UK and don’t live close to her, her friends are all mid 60s to mid 70s so even double jabbed i doubt anyone would physically enter the house and take that risk for themselves/ their own families at their age (sorry I would assume that’s not even the right thing to do anyway)

Being a nurse she has blood pressure monitor and other monitors at home she’s checking herself with daily and they are all on the borderline for still JUST ok. But she’s had a fever for now 2 weeks, a horrible barking cough, breathlessness and weakness when talking. She’s not eating and has vommited a few times. She said she passed out once too when getting out of bed. She’s taking painkillers for the headache and fever but due to very little to no eating they are giving her intense stomach pains now as she’s been on them 2 weeks.

She’s stubborn and will not call an ambulance. She won’t go to hospital as believes once they put her on a ventilator she won’t come off it and will die there. She believes her home is cursed and she will die at home- lots of bad things have happened in her house (even prior to her moving in there) but i’ve told her that over such a long period bad things can happen in any house. Her mother, my grandmother died in her sleep in the house and she says she will probably go the same way.

She has plenty of food at home as does online deliveries, but says too weak to make food or even eat it once made. She said she ordered herself a take away one night but binned it all as as soon as she smelt the food she became very nauseated.

I am still aboard for another 2 weeks and very worried. There is a private doctor my family and I have used in the past for a few more serious issues, and I emailed him yesterday to please call my mum at home for some advice. I trust him and value his medical advice. He called me straight away and we arranged a call for him and my mum.
He believes my mum may have a secondary infection such a phenumonia and has greatly encouraged her to call an ambulance that day or the next day (today) As a professional has told her i hope she’s thinking about it seriously and will do this (but i’m my heart I feel she still won’t) He said her stats seem ok so far but he’s concerned she has a high fever for 2 weeks and is so weak on the phone. He will not prescribe her anything to take at home as believes the situation is too serious now and she should be on antibiotics and steroids in hospital.

When I gently encouraged his advice last night she went a bit weird… telling me what a mess her house is that she hasn’t cleaned and started painting it right before she became unwell so there are now paint pots everywhere. I asked why any of that matters as we are talking about her health but then she just went silent. Is she worried what ambulance staff will think of her ‘messy’ house?!

I barely slept last night, I am so worried.

For reference she is overweight with some minor heart issues, nothing else.

Can anyone please advice what they would do if this was their parent. I’m abroad for another 2 weeks and just don’t know what to do.

Thank you

OP posts:
Namenic · 25/08/2021 07:56

Probably call an ambulance and explain what has happened. If necessary they can do a capacity test - does she have capacity to refuse to go to hospital? Sometimes people have delirium - which affects their ability to properly weigh up decisions. I would consider returning early - because whether she is in hospital or not, she might need some support. I would also inform any other relatives - that the doc thought she needed hospital - someone may be able to provide support until you get back.

Theredjellybean · 25/08/2021 07:58

Why have you not phoned her gp?
She can refuse treatment, she has capacity so there isn't anyone, a private doctor, a paramedic or a gp who can force her to go to hospital or take medication.
However you could phone her gp, and explain, they may be able to persuade her to at least start antibiotics and steroids.
I am puzzled and perturbed by actions of private doctor. He should have called an ambulance himself if he felt clinically that was what she needed and if she refused he needs to have clearly documented that and he should have explained the consequences of that decision to her.
Secondly he should have prescribed the antibiotics and steroids and home oxygen for her.

MRex · 25/08/2021 08:04

I don't understand why the private doctor was discussing your mother's medical information with you, nor why they wouldn't take the next step to either send an ambulance or send antibiotics to try to help her. It all sounds a bit strange and unethical.

From what you've said, either she is lying to you in pretending she's more unwell than she is (to get you home?), or she genuinely is becoming very confused. Lack of oxygen can cause confusion, so you must not delay in seeking treatment. Annoying though she may be, and as unfair as it is for paramedics to have to deal with someone being difficult, calling an ambulance is the best option now, so dial 999. Explain that she sounds confused as well as very unwell with breathing difficulties.

KerningBurnHole · 25/08/2021 08:20

OP may struggle calling an ambulance from abroad, because she would need to find the geographical telephone number for the ambulance service in the area which her mum lives. Calling 999 from abroad will not get you through to the mum's local service

OP, you best bet will probably to call your mothers GP surgery and explain the situation and see if they are able to call the ambulance service?

Delatron · 25/08/2021 08:22

If you’re abroad and can’t call an ambulance call back the private doctor and get him to call the ambulance. He can clearly explain to them the reasons she needs to go in.

traumatisednoodle · 25/08/2021 08:24

Or a neighbour ?

HJ40 · 25/08/2021 08:46

@MRex

I don't understand why the private doctor was discussing your mother's medical information with you, nor why they wouldn't take the next step to either send an ambulance or send antibiotics to try to help her. It all sounds a bit strange and unethical.

From what you've said, either she is lying to you in pretending she's more unwell than she is (to get you home?), or she genuinely is becoming very confused. Lack of oxygen can cause confusion, so you must not delay in seeking treatment. Annoying though she may be, and as unfair as it is for paramedics to have to deal with someone being difficult, calling an ambulance is the best option now, so dial 999. Explain that she sounds confused as well as very unwell with breathing difficulties.

Agree with this.

Londonmummy00 · 25/08/2021 08:55

Hello everyone

Thank you so much for everyone’s concerned messages. I am less at a loss of what to do now.

I am also a little unsure why the doctor did not call an ambulance himself- I assumed he wouldn’t and as her stats are ok he didn’t. I have known him for many years as has my husband but he has never met my mum or even spoken to her. She lives a 4 hour drive from me and as I mentioned we are not so close, I do not even know who her GP is. I do not have her close work colleagues phone numbers. I do have her best friends number but she is away abroad on holiday too.
Having the doctor call her and me knowing that a professional has for sure spoken with her made me feel like I was doing SOMETHING. I do not trust that she has called her own GP or 111 for advice (she claimed she had but couldn’t get through to either and was waiting for call backs from both…) The private doctor asked my mums permission if he could call me after their consultation and let me know what’s happening as I’m abroad and very worried - my mum agreed to this no problem hence I was able to speak to him about her.

I also did ask him why he could not send her oral antibiotics and steroids if needed (I have a 5 year old with asthma and allergies so used to being around this kind of at home treatment) But … he said he could not. Reasons being this isn’t a bad cold or flu, that it’s covid and she’s been unwell with it for 2 weeks or just over, that given she’s unvaccinated and her age and how weak she sounds on the phone the best care would be in the hospital- it would be the best and fastest route to getting her better asap, and that if he was to prescribe anything for home use without seeing her (or knowing her at least and her medical history) and something bad happened he could never forgive himself.

I have listened to everyone here this morning and taken all messages on board. I am calling her at 9am UK time and I will make an assessment of how she is then. I’m not expecting her to be any different, and I am expecting her to start to downplay things now she knows she’s get me on her case about the ambulance/ hospital admission and private doctor also said he would be calling her this morning to check on her. So I will be face timing her soon.

And most definitely I would rather her be angry and furious at me and alive, then being so far gone it’s too late for help.

OP posts:
Arsebucket · 25/08/2021 08:57

Sounds like my pneumonia symptoms - I could only speak on syllable at a time on a breath.

You need to get an ambulance to her.

Gingernaut · 25/08/2021 08:59

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canary1 · 25/08/2021 09:01

Did you actually hire the private doctor I.e. pay him, to do this consultation? Or are you asking him as someone you know without paying him? It doesn’t sound like a ‘normal” consultation so I’m wondering if it’s the latter....

ssd · 25/08/2021 09:06

Unfortunately, there comes a time when we meed to parent our parents and that time has now came for you.
Still dithering. Call an ambulance and get her into hospital.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 25/08/2021 09:11

Call an ambulance,so what if she goes crazy?

m0therofdragons · 25/08/2021 09:18

Can you call the hospital she works in and speak to hr to raise welfare concerns? I work in a hospital and a staff member living home alone covid would get regular calls and if they were worried they could intervene.

JemimaMoon · 25/08/2021 09:21

Could you come home early?

heldinadream · 25/08/2021 09:23

Unfortunately this is an instance where you need to override her wishes and act in her better interest by calling for an ambulance for her. They'll assess based on what you tell them. You can't let her call the shots on this one because she's not rational right now.
Hopefully they'll get her in and treat her and she'll recover, realise how foolish she was being and thank you. Flowers for you OP. It's a big thing to deal with. You sound great and really grounded.

VanCleefArpels · 25/08/2021 09:28

Did you get through?

PattiRandall · 25/08/2021 09:36

Why don't you call 111 and explain your concerns and ask them to call your mum. They will need to go through all the checks with her (are you breathless? etc) and they can determine if she needs an ambulance or not.

daretodenim · 25/08/2021 09:39

You won't be able to call 111 either if you're abroad. If you can't find the regional ambulance number, try the non-emergency police number (available on local police website) and ask them for it.

The ambulance is likely better than the GP right now because they'll be able to contact the GP if necessary (from what I understand) and will know the situation with local hospitals. They won't take her if she doesn't need to go.

Londonmummy00 · 25/08/2021 09:53

Hi everyone

I am unable to call 999 or 111 from abroad. My mother in law has just called an ambulance.

i did get through to my mums mobile after a couple of tries at approx 9am. She didn’t answer facetime but answered a normal call eventually. She admitted defeat and that she was going to call the ambulance but first she needed to sleep, then shower and shave and put on a bit of powder then she will call them. She sounded delirious while speaking with the same barking cough.

I told her that no she needed to call them right now. She said needed to sleep first couldn’t stay awake.

I called my mother in law straight away in the uk who had called for an ambulance. i’m so so upset.

OP posts:
heldinadream · 25/08/2021 10:02

Well done. Keep us posted. Hopefully ambulance will get her in ASAP and she'll get good treatment and begin to recover.

Hey you're doing all the right things - deep breath, now there's nothing more you can do right now, have a big cuppa tea and put your feet up for a bit (if you can).

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 25/08/2021 10:03

Oh my what a horrendous situation. I am fully expecting to be in a similar situation with my own mother in the future,point blank refuses to be jabbed and she's extremely clinically vulnerable.

All the best x

toomuchlaundry · 25/08/2021 10:05

I’m so glad an ambulance has been called and hope your DM will get the medical help she needs

Thenameisweasley · 25/08/2021 10:37

Please let us know how she gets on OP!

frumpety · 25/08/2021 10:43

So glad you have called an ambulance, somebody needs to assess her in person and they will take her straight in if they are concerned about her.