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Coronavirus: Young people warn of long Covid amid jab drive www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58301011

Article pushing younger people to get jabbed.
Sajid Javid even saying it's a risk for us all.....

We as a family have been lucky enough to avoid Covid so far. The new rules and school return make me feel very uneasy.

Is everyone REALLY ok with this headlong rush to infect our children that the government seem so hell bent on?

@stepupandbecounted

All kids ARE going to get covid. Fact.

It would be easier if you started from that point of view. Almost all kids will sail through with a runny nose, the CEV will have been offered a jab time to get back to normal folks. I am happy for my kids to sit with anyone, we are relaxed about covid, everyone that can be is vaccinated. The rest will get antibodies through infection - it is a personal choice - as Patrick Vallance said we will all get there eventually through vaccine or infection until lovely covid runs out of hosts (or the next strain emerges)

many CEV kids not offered a jab yet

Teachers are now totally and fully vaccinated, as are parents, children are in the main completely safe, I am not sure what the fuss is about.

Why is this even a thread? We have 91% antibodies in the adult population, approaching a 100%. Anyone getting seriously ill from covid now is either an antivaxxer (their choice to make and the consequences) or one of the very very rare cases of vaccine failure. Most of us are completely safe now.

many CEV kids not offered a jab yet

In this area they have been offered a jab, if they are worried they will no doubt have the option to home school. CEV children are rare.

Most children have had covid or will in the coming months, and it is nothing more than a bad cold at most. Most of our friends have been surprised at how mild it is, so mild they didn't even notice and in many cases were picked up by chance.

@Greenhand concerned about this too.

I don’t think we know enough about how Delta spreads or affects children. We can’t reference other waves and Wuhan or Alpha, it is behaving differently.

lelivre Delta has been in the UK for MONTHS. We have tons of data on it, and how it affects children (mild cold) Please at least try and do some research before taking the time to be 'concerned'. Educate yourself.

I am looking at the ‘Delta’ data emerging from affected countries every day. Children didn’t seem to get the first strain. Alpha a bit more, certainly older (teen) children. Delta, the US has higher numbers to look at but it will be clearer when they return to school. As for long covid only time will tell.

I wasn’t concerned but since I have had young family members become seriously ill, I have more questions.

There are so many other virus that can cause long term issues.
We go walking in fields and we could get Lyme disease from an insect bite. But we still go walking.
I was very ill from a bacterial infection a few years ago, needed hospital treatment and suffered from fatigue and ME type symptoms for nearly a year later. I still live my life accepting the risks associated with it.
Covid was a new virus to our bodies so sadly and I mean that people lost their lives and some may suffer long term affects. Because it happened all at once the impact was greater and more obvious to see. Long term we will need to live with covid as we do the many other virus /infections that exists.
Yes at the beginning we needed to be vigilant and do as much to protect everyone (as the impact is greater to population as it was new) but it’s not disappearing and won’t. It’s now all around us like flu, colds, infections, meningitis, mumps , chicken pox and all the other bugs which could have a long term affect to our children.

@stepupandbecounted Delta became the dominate strain in the UK only a few wks before the children broke up.

@Barbie222

Outside lessons won't work very well when the expensive interactive whiteboard and tech gets wet. Or should we all chant and copy off the board all day in lower primary? I don't think anyone would be minded to suggest outdoor GP surgeries or a bit of outdoor old school dentistry, and it's just as ridiculous to assume teaching can go on in a marquee or tent indefinitely without the technology it requires in the modern world. If you didn't stop to think of this, you need to start thinking about whether you really know enough to help find solutions or whether, as pp have said, your aim is rather different.

My aim, which should be extremely obvious given that it was stated right at the start of the relevant post, is kids being in school. Because the known risks of them not being there are more of a worry than hypothetical future risks related to getting covid now.

You're quite right that I don't know enough to find solutions to the risks presented by kids being in school, and in fact I do come from the perspective that because of logistics and sustained underinvestment, there likely aren't any proper ones and the best we can do is tinker around the edges. Which I also said in my post.

But let's be clear, even if there were no further mitigations whatsoever possible now, we'd still need children in schools. That this wasn't incredibly clear from what I've written frankly makes me wonder about your aims. There's something innately dubious about posters who can't simply disagree in good faith, but claim those of us who understand the detrimental effect of school closures on children as a cohort have some kind of secret agenda. Very dodgy.

lelivre It has been ripping through the younger child bracket all summer. I know of at least fourteen children that have had the delta strain, and six adults. All completely fine with runny nose for a few days. It has been in our country for months, it has been circulating for months, if we were going to see anything remotely interesting it would have happened by now!

What are you waiting for exactly? The data is all there. Check Israel data for a good comparison. Boosters and flu jabs will be key to a good winter.

The news about 12 to 15 year old medically vulnerable having jab.
Its been a very narrow list of people who qualify.
Its been even harder for healthy kids with medically vulnerable parents to access jabs as gps dident have a clue when announced.
Was announced 4 weeks ago.
Many still trying book appointments.
Eveb if they had it takes 21days take affect and they still need to have 2nd jab.

Randomly we decided only give 16 to 18 half jabs whilst claiming all 18plus should get 2 jabs to be fully protected.

Not all that need it will be jabbed before school starts.

@stepupandbecounted that’s really encouraging to hear. But my summer holiday experience and delta has been different to yours and it has put an entirely different complexion on the situation for me.

Yes I am looking at the data and Israel, there is really no need to be so patronising.

You could home school if you are worried - most schools have been very understanding.

Perhaps you haven't been on here long enough to know that most of the scare tactics are coming out of the teaching unions, and with nothing much based on real danger or risk to close the schools with this term they have taken to making things up on the spot. I am sorry if you are picking up on my annoyance but some people will do anything to stay at home and not work or teach (not all teachers but a vocal minority) and we have seen this can't do attitude prevail endlessly during the pandemic.

I am sorry you have had a difficult summer

www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/schools-will-need-more-than-fresh-air-to-stop-covid-19-mit-study

I do hope my dc's school keep masks in September.

@MrPickles73

Given the vast majority of children have nothing more than a cold and adults who want it have now been vaccinated, we need to just crack on. Punishing entire classes with crappy, hokey pokey home learning is not acceptable for a third year. There are children who will suffer for a lifetime due to lack of education now. Our generation will be asked in the future why we did not stand up for our kids. No one has spoken out for them except the small group usforthem. It's disgusting.

I'm sorry but Us for them are a bunch of nut jobs who only got airspace because of who they know - definitely not what they know!

@stepupandbecounted

You could home school if you are worried - most schools have been very understanding.

Perhaps you haven't been on here long enough to know that most of the scare tactics are coming out of the teaching unions, and with nothing much based on real danger or risk to close the schools with this term they have taken to making things up on the spot. I am sorry if you are picking up on my annoyance but some people will do anything to stay at home and not work or teach (not all teachers but a vocal minority) and we have seen this can't do attitude prevail endlessly during the pandemic.

I am sorry you have had a difficult summer

Please leave your teacher bashing out if this.....

I wanted this thread to be about the children.

@stepupandbecounted

You could home school if you are worried - most schools have been very understanding.

Perhaps you haven't been on here long enough to know that most of the scare tactics are coming out of the teaching unions, and with nothing much based on real danger or risk to close the schools with this term they have taken to making things up on the spot. I am sorry if you are picking up on my annoyance but some people will do anything to stay at home and not work or teach (not all teachers but a vocal minority) and we have seen this can't do attitude prevail endlessly during the pandemic.

I am sorry you have had a difficult summer

This complete bullshit tbh. The DM, the telegraph and the government have built up the narrative of the unions being to blame in order to convince the gullible.

The unions have done very little except write a plan for making schools safer which was completely ignored. Any decision about closing schools or the brief period of mask wearing was made by public health experts. Who, tbf, were also ignored by the government until it was impossible to continue.

Perhaps if the unions had been listened to last summer, education might have been a bit less disrupted last school year, but I guess that wouldn’t fit your union bashing narrative.

@Lelivre

I am looking at the ‘Delta’ data emerging from affected countries every day. Children didn’t seem to get the first strain. Alpha a bit more, certainly older (teen) children. Delta, the US has higher numbers to look at but it will be clearer when they return to school. As for long covid only time will tell.

I wasn’t concerned but since I have had young family members become seriously ill, I have more questions.

Lots of places in the US have already returned to school. I think it would be fair to say it hadn’t gone week. And a greater proportion of their 12-15 year olds have been vaccinated because they are eligible.

Gone well

@stepupandbecounted

Most children have had covid or will in the coming months, and it is nothing more than a bad cold at most. Most of our friends have been surprised at how mild it is, so mild they didn't even notice and in many cases were picked up by chance.

8yo DS and I both currently have it and the only thing he's had is a high temperature (and randomly some nosebleeds which I don’t know if connected or not!) I've had cold symptoms, high temperature and lost all sense of smell and taste so he's fared better than me. I don't know any children who have been very ill with it.

I think we may as well accept that most of us will catch it at some point. I don't see how you can run from a virus. Certainly vaccinations aren't stopping people catching it from my experience. Inconvenient, but nothing more than a bad cold for the vast majority.

If vaccines fail after 6m then we can expect our kids to catch covid every 6m so 20days off school.

Why? My kids haven’t had it yet, and we kept being told there have been very few mitigations in schools up to now. Some might get it twice, some might not get it at all.

Almost all kids will sail through with a runny nose, the CEV will have been offered a jab time to get back to normal folks.

As I teach in a primary, our CEV children will not be jabbed for years. We have a couple who have conditions that are very specifically identified as ones where they are less likely than others to 'sail through with a runny nose'.

My heart goes out to those parents - no jab, no safety measures in school, no shielding, no funding. A choice between sending their child into a setting that is unsafe for them (they have very specific safety measures at the best of times, which this is not) or quitting employment for enforced home-schooling on benefits.

You could home school if you are worried - most schools have been very understanding.

Awful attitude. The rest of your post is really dire too.

@Neverrains

If vaccines fail after 6m then we can expect our kids to catch covid every 6m so 20days off school.

Why? My kids haven’t had it yet, and we kept being told there have been very few mitigations in schools up to now. Some might get it twice, some might not get it at all.

Also wondering why? I had covid symptoms in March 2020, no illness since, despite going out to work throughout and with a child in school. Positive antibodies in June 2021. DS 15 has never tested positive or had to isolate.