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Those of us who were ‘cannon fodder’- how do you feel?

884 replies

Onandoff · 22/08/2021 09:09

I went to a gathering the other day with people who were privileged enough to still be working from home in highly paid city jobs. Their experiences were a stark contrast with mine. It was interesting to hear how protected they’d been, many still getting shopping delivered and only just resuming socialising. They hadn’t been on public transport at all. There was a general air of resentment at being asked to go back to offices and commute. They’d all saved money and were very worried about covid exposure despite being vaccinated. Apparently many workers have completely refused to return.

DH and I were the only key workers there and it brought home how exposed we’d been. Literally all of our family and colleagues caught it and some died or were left disabled. My mum died. In the hospital where I work 80% caught it in the first wave alone.

It’s been interesting to see through this that the jobs essential to society are (generally, appreciate some exceptions like medics) the worst paid. If we’d refused to go in or been redeployed we’d have been sacked. While the privileged middle class are still being pandered to despite vaccination.

I feel that those who went out to work should be financially compensated for the risk we took. At the very least we should be given tax breaks and not be expected to cough up for furlough costs.

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Fncottonrrrrgh · 27/08/2021 09:15

You must be so tired, it shows.

LTB leave the bsa*d

Fncottonrrrrgh · 27/08/2021 09:17

As a teacher I regularly work 70 hrs so can you hear my tiny violin under your bridge?

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 27/08/2021 09:17

What job do you do, @CBUK2K2? If I don’t know, I can’t decide whether your opinions are worth considering or if you are just another General Melchett, sitting safely at home, complaining that your business should have given you grants to pay for a better chair and desk, that your previous questionable tax dealings meant you weren’t getting the ‘right’ business support, you didn’t have any flour and your public servants weren’t servile enough.

Very generous of you to concede that ventilation might possibly (‘maybe’) help in classrooms. Your poor wife caught Covid doing her job. I would expect you to support every measure to keep her safe. Or if you don’t care about her, use your brain to see that teachers catching Covid will lead to more school closures, which you claim you don’t want. The vaccinations don’t stop teachers catching Covid and when we are infected, we will be absent for a minimum of ten days.

No wonder the ‘cannon fodder’ are hacked off.

Fncottonrrrrgh · 27/08/2021 09:18

P. S. As a teacher I love a good "fight" 😉

Fncottonrrrrgh · 27/08/2021 09:21

Oh I think you're talking bull @CBUK2K2 if your wife had a covid you would have been isolating to so your stories aren't straight

sherrystrull · 27/08/2021 09:23

I love reading posts about people who aren't teachers telling teachers what their experience has been. The sheer arrogance never fails to make me smile.

Girasole02 · 27/08/2021 09:35

@converseandjeans

Yes I feel like my experience has been different from many of my friends who are in middle class well paid jobs.

I teach so not as front line as you but I only had my second vaccine after I had broken up for the summer break.

There has been little to no sympathy for teachers - more criticism in fact.- on MN. I think maybe as NHS you may get more support.

It's a good job people in supermarkets, doing the recycling, post men, food production staff etc continued to graft - as you say on lower salaries with less perks.

It has highlighted a divide in society I think.

Teacher here. The lazy teacher narrative perpetuated by certain sections of the media has been hard to take. I know several who are now leaving the profession as a result. Who benefits?
CBUK2K2 · 27/08/2021 09:42

@Fncottonrrrrgh - You may regulatory work 70hrs/week, but you spend 1/4 of the year on holiday.

Yes.... my wife had COVID, weall caught it from her. I was off work for 2.5 weeks.

CBUK2K2 · 27/08/2021 09:43

@sherrystrull This would be a very fair argument if there weren't quite so many teachers posting pics of them sunbathing etc on social media during the first lock downs.

Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2021 09:46

Perhaps sign up to teaching. You have such a deal of insight already.

You don't seem like a Facebook kind of guy to have seen all these sunbathing pics.

CBUK2K2 · 27/08/2021 09:46

@BustopherPonsonbyJones People get sick, she passed it on to me and the family. I don't feel aggrieved by it, lots of people have got sick.

Lots of people got sick before the pandemic and lots of people will get sick after the pandemic.

Would you suggest we try and stop all of them?

Xenia · 27/08/2021 09:49

Lots of people have had a terrible time in this pandemic.
It is certainly correct that some who have said elsewhere that the pandemic means - "Rich people sit at home whilst poor people bring them things". It is obviously a much more complex picture than that.

In my view the dead have suffered the worst, then those unable to get medical treatment for other thuings due to CV19 and after those people I then put all the young people - not teachers, not nurses, not bankers but children and teenagers and students at university.

As there are I think for the first time in my adult life time starting to be worker shortage of the kind we had in the 50s and 60s such as for delivery drivers like my son and many other things, now could be a good time for people unhappy with their work to have a look around at what else might be available to them. Eg my son earns about £22k driving the van delivering food full time PAYE fixes hours and does a full week in 4 longer days to just after mid night. That might be better pay or almost as good and suit some teachers. You can do it as long as you have a driving licence.

Fncottonrrrrgh · 27/08/2021 09:49

Do I? spend 1/4 of the year on holiday.

Didn't realise marking, moderating, planning were holiday activities? I never see them listed on the Center Parks website?

If it's such a cushy job @CBUK2K2 why are you not signing up?

I mean the parent abuse, and the abuse from students really makes the job a piece of cake. It really makes the average £13 per hour well worth it.... Hmm

motherrunner · 27/08/2021 09:51

OMG, I feel like I’ve been transported back i time 18 months?

My time machine works!

Leavetheguntakethecannoli · 27/08/2021 09:51

Definite cannon fodder. Asked to care for patients with no ppe, eventually supplied with out of date and inappropriate ppe. Accepted this as a nurse, despite risk and overcame own fears about this terrifying virus. Continued to do my job, always waiting for others with capacity to step up and assist. Always thinking this will not be forever. Workload now unmanageable as what was seen as extraordinary effort in early days of pandemic is now just an expectation. My colleagues are exhausted and are now dropping like flies with sickness or are leaving nursing completely. I felt and still feel let down by response of government, nhs management and have lost respect for so many people who have been happy to allow others to take all risk on their behalf. I have to state that if you work for a private company and you have an agreement to WFH it’s of no concern to me. I’m glad if it has helped working families manage their work/life balance. If however you’re taxpayer funded then no I’m not happy to forever be the mug who continues to work frontline while others absent themselves, providing a substandard version of work ‘due to COVID’. This inequity in workload and risk can’t continue.

noblegiraffe · 27/08/2021 09:52

Xenia encouraging teachers to become delivery drivers...I guess she doesn't need state school teachers but is irked by having to wait for an Ocado slot?

CBUK2K2 · 27/08/2021 09:57

@Fncottonrrrrgh Do you want an honest answer why I'd not be a teacher?

Xenia · 27/08/2021 09:59

I am totally neutral on the topic - just pointing out that my son who I assume might have been a teacher had he wanted to be - is very happy in the other job. (I don't these days use any food delivery service and just go to the shop when I need things as I am only buying for one person).

It is a very interesting time, I used to read novels about the 50s or 60s about people leaving one shop job on a Friday and going to the net on the Monday and think wow - what times to live in. I graduated in 1982 when we had the worst unemployment for FIFTY years and 3m out of work (worse than now) and then we had the 90s crash, then 2008 credit crunch, pay freezes for some people for the last 20 years. This is the first time I have felt we have moved into a time of labour shortage and some power to workers since those days.

What ought to happen is wages rise to a better level to reflect it and the state may not have to subsidise big business by paying in work benefits to those with families who work full time.

sherrystrull · 27/08/2021 10:02

[quote CBUK2K2]@sherrystrull This would be a very fair argument if there weren't quite so many teachers posting pics of them sunbathing etc on social media during the first lock downs.[/quote]
I know tons of teachers. Never saw any photos like this. Everyone I know was working solidly.

Yellow85 · 27/08/2021 10:11

This post is quite saddening. We’ve all been through our own sh*t, I don’t know why we need to compare who’s had it the hardest. It’s not a competition.

Fncottonrrrrgh · 27/08/2021 10:14

@CBUK2K2. Nice interview technique to buy time... Yes please do indulge Biscuit

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 27/08/2021 10:31

@Xenia
A fair point about young adults suffering. They have had a tough time of it. I’m not so sympathetic to those who were able to work from home. I worked from home in the first lockdown (and taught a full timetable ‘live’ from day one so no sunbathing here) and it was UNBELIEVABLY easy compared to being in school. By that, I don’t mean the work as it was very challenging learning new skills so quickly - I mean the mental impact. I really don’t think the mental strain of working being unprotected in a classroom full of people is understood by those lucky enough to work at home.

You are also quite right about leaving. So far, we have lost five teachers who have taken early retirement to do the jobs you describe or tutor from home. Society’s problem is that jobs are not been filled or when they have been filled, the younger teachers decide it isn’t for them (even in the current economic climate).

Rather than take the ‘just move on’ approach, it would be better to listen to workers in the different ‘essential’ working environments and address their concerns. I have been teaching for over 20 years. If I hated my job I would have left years ago. What I hate is the assumption that we don’t deserve to do our jobs safely and that even whilst we have put ourselves at risk during this pandemic, it still isn’t good enough for many people, usually those who didn’t put themselves at risk at all.

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 27/08/2021 10:35

[quote CBUK2K2]@BustopherPonsonbyJones People get sick, she passed it on to me and the family. I don't feel aggrieved by it, lots of people have got sick.

Lots of people got sick before the pandemic and lots of people will get sick after the pandemic.

Would you suggest we try and stop all of them?[/quote]
Yes.
It’s a good idea to try to put measures into place to stop illness.
Similarly, I quite like things like speed limits and pelican crossings to reduce RTA.

Don’t you?

CBUK2K2 · 27/08/2021 12:28

@BustopherPonsonbyJones Yes I do, we should lower risk as much as practicable, but the key term is practicable.

What do you suggest we do that's not currently being done?

Unless were going to have teachers and pupils in air fed suits like you see in a clean room people are always going to get sick.

Mandatory vaccines for teachers? Because that seems to be the only real deference at present.

Hercisback · 27/08/2021 13:02

Masks
Vaccine boosters for teachers
Fund ventilation

Are all things that could be done.