If this applies to your thinking, can I ask why you wouldn't have an unvaccinated person inside your house with others?

[Liveonyournerves]

So, at some point in the not too distant future, I will likely have a small gathering inside my house. We are double jabbed. Most people I know are double jabbed but a couple aren't.

I'm trying to work through the rationale behind not wanting them (instinctively) in my house. But surely, whilst they might be more likely to transmit CV, a double jabber can also do this? Surely, the risk is more towards the non-vaccinated - who, ironically, are safer because we've all been jabbed?

Am I missing something?

It has become instinctive in some people because we spent at least a year in the past 18 months being told that COVID is a death sentence, standing next to someone who has it means you'll get it, touching someone, breathing the same air etc.

It can be hard to reset your thinking and come out the other side.

Logically those who are unvaccinated are the most vulnerable.

Face the fear, have the gathering, enjoy the time with your friends that has been sorely missing for a long time.

That's a nice response, thank you

I'm very lucky I'm not in this position, everyone we know has been double vaccinated (with the exception of one who will have it in a few months when her circumstances change - I'm the only friend she sees, and we're outside definitely distanced as she wants to be careful for herself/me).

I think we've become conditioned to be careful and avoid the risk. If someone is so relaxed they don't feel the need for the vaccine (other than due to health issues/anxiety they're trying to work through to get it), then I wonder how relaxed they are in other forms of their life, ie are they being careful when out with others, masks/distancing/sanitizing? There's always going to be a risk, but surely if you have been vaccinated you're an increased risk to others?

Would it be possible to have the gathering outside trying to distance a bit to help most feel a bit more comfortable? With the exception of going for the odd coffee with my elderly Mum now, we've found a way to see everyone outside even when snowing! Very lucky though, as all our friends/family want to meet outside, like we do.

I don't know if it's true that unvaccinated people are less careful. But even if they are, the risk is greater to them than to those who are double jabbed...

I'm trying to work out what the risk actually is.

No, there's no chance of having the gathering outside for reasons I won't go into.

As a double vaccinated person, as I understand it you're less likely to catch it anyone there had it. However I suppose if you all test beforehand that's pretty sensible and should alleviate any worry

Being vaccinated

1. reduces the chance of you catching covid in the first place (www.healthline.com/health-news/getting-a-pfizer-or-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-can-drop-your-risk-for-infection-by-91)
2. reduces the risk of you passing it on if you have it (www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1112)

(Not peer-reviewed journals, but you get the idea . . .)

Basically vaccines aren't 100% effective, but by being fully vaccinated people are doing everything they can to protect themselves and others (short of staying indoors in isolation continuously).

Unvaccinated individuals pose a greater risk as they

• are more likely to catch the virus in the first place
• are more likely to pass it on if they do have it
• are a breeding ground for variants www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/unvaccinated-people-are-variant-factories-infectious-diseases-expert-says-1.5495359

To use an analogy - in a flood, the vaccinated people have shut their front doors and put sandbags against them, but they accept that some water might escape around the frame if they're unlucky. The unvaccinated people have left their door wide open and risk flooding their neighbours house as a result!

Well I've currently got Covid, I caught it from a double vaxxed person. So it made no difference in my circumstances! I have only been single vaxxed myself but she also passed it on to another double vaxxed person (we are all work colleagues).

@Waxonwaxoff0

Well I've currently got Covid, I caught it from a double vaxxed person. So it made no difference in my circumstances! I have only been single vaxxed myself but she also passed it on to another double vaxxed person (we are all work colleagues).

This is the statistical thing that people don't really understand though - because the majority of people have now been vaccinated, and because the vaccines are not 100% effective, it's more likely that the person you got it from was vaccinated (i.e. one of the unlucky % who caught it despite being vaccinated). However in exactly the same social circumstances, it's more likely that an unvaccinated person would catch it than a vaccinated person.

Because vaccines aren't 100 per cent effective. You may not have developed antibodies. Your unvaxed friends are more likely to pass it on to you than your vaxed friends.

My very elderly friend caught covid last week from her marginally younger brother. It's still going around...it's up to you how belt and braces you want to be. The unvaccinated couple are at the most risk, really.

Transmission rates are the same from a vaccinated and unvaccinated person. This is a fact.

Obviously those unvaccinated are slightly more likely to catch it in the first place.

@Tootsey11

Transmission rates are the same from a vaccinated and unvaccinated person. This is a fact.

Obviously those unvaccinated are slightly more likely to catch it in the first place.

This.

So if people test that makes sense. Then you've done all you can do. You can all enjoy the gathering.

Because you instinctively know that they’re putting their own selfishness ahead of the well-being of society as a whole. People aren’t inclined to be charitable towards those who obviously only care about themselves. It’s the same reason that conscientious objectors were hated during the war - because they were the only ones not doing their bit.

People who aren’t vaccinated are more likely to pass it on to you or your other guests. We’ve decided not to have unvaccinated people in our home for now (with one exception who is medically unable to have the vaccine but is very careful).

@RhodesianRidgeback, not true. Once you catch it you transmit at the same rate with or without jabs.

I think I'd be concerned that they were more likely to transmit to others (not just because if not having the vaccine but as PP have said it does feel like an indication that they're not likely to be as careful in other ways) and I wouldn't want to feel responsible for putting other people at risk in my house.

@Tootsey11

Transmission rates are the same from a vaccinated and unvaccinated person. This is a fact.

Obviously those unvaccinated are slightly more likely to catch it in the first place.

Obviously those unvaccinated are slightly more likely to catch it in the first place.

If vaccination can reduce your rate of catching it by up to 90% (see my earlier link) then I think it's fair to say that " those unvaccinated are MUCH more likely to catch it in the first place."

And bearing in mind that up to a third of cases are asymptomatic an unvaccinated person is more likely to have it and be unwittingly spreading it!

I wouldn’t even know which of my friends are vaccinated or not 🤷🏻‍♀️ None of my business as long as I have my own vaccination is my view point.

Honestly I wouldn’t want them not because of risk but because it would have reduced my opinion of them. Unless they have medical reasons why the vaccine is extra risky for them.

Is there a risk that the unvaccinated couple will bang on about their anti vax stance?

My husband has a friend who has declined the vaccine and he repeatedly brings his "reasons why" into conversations. It's so tedious and a bit odd; as if he's seeking validation or reassurance.

Maybe that's why you subconsciously don't want them at your dinner party

Because while a double vaccinated person can transmit the virus, they are much less likey to:

www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/aug/04/coronavirus-live-news-china-sees-most-local-cases-since-january-biden-rolls-out-more-covid-aid?page=with:block-610a3a038f0811859febd27d#block-610a3a038f0811859febd27d

"Double vaccinated people are three times less likely than unvaccinated people to test positive for coronavirus, according to the React-1 study."

"The study’s analyses of PCR test results also suggest that fully vaccinated people may be less likely than unvaccinated people to pass the virus on to others, due to having a smaller viral load on average and therefore likely shedding less virus."

Being vaxxed reduces transmission.
If you don't want them at your indoir gathering just tell them. Their choice to get vaccinated or not but it might have social consequences. As an ardent anti-vaxxer hosting a gathering can say no vaxxed-sheep if they want.

I'm double jabbed. My other half has decided not to be vaccinated. To be honest I had never considered that he'd be any more of a risk to me than anyone else. Like another poster said, he's the more vulnerable of us for not having the vaccine.

Statistically unvaccinated people are more like to catch covid and spread it, than vaccinated people. But vaccinated people can still catch it and spread it.

Unvaccinated people are more at risk themselves of very bad outcomes, of course.

Some unvaccinated people are at the more risky end of the spectrum, if they are in denial about the existence of or the seriousness of Covid - but thsi will vary person to person.

I would not exclude someone for being unvaccinated, but currently I am not having any gatherings in my house as it is fairly small and cases are high.