New self isolation rules

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I can't work this out from the gov.uk website, if one family member has symptoms, should the other family members get a pcr test (and self isolate in the meantime), or would that only be advised if someone in the family had an actual positive test?

@Sugarandtime

As the people that I know that had a positive test result all seemed to pass it on to each other with no problem despite all having had all had two injections. This all seems very illogical.

You can obviously transmit and contract from each other quite easily so I don’t understand why you can go about your business if you’ve had 2 injections.

And this is what we were told. The jab didn't stop you from getting COVID, just getting that poorly you needed hospital treatment. You could still carry and share. Now we are told it doesn't matter, your mums told you to share so go ahead. Herd immunity? Already questioned works policy, I will be sanctioned as unauthorised absence. Sanctions for being responsible, sanctioned for being concerned of possibly transmitting to my elderly patients. I may be thinking to much into this.

Yep. It's never going to end until either we're all jabbed or we've all had it, regardless of age.

But as long as the NHS can cope and the economy can crank back into life, that's ok.

TTP still carries on and actually becomes more arduous under these new rules as everything has become more complicated.

I wonder if it’s another one of the government’s ways of trying to persuade more to have the in.
If you have them, this is your reward. No isolation.
Totally illogical

Injections

Well, since a vaccinated person is three times less likely to test positive and therefore is less likely to be transmit the virus (although obviously they can still transmit, it is just much less likely), it does make sense to treat vaccinated people differently and actually that is only fair. If you chose not to be vaccinated, the same rules remain as before, the rules are not worse than before. You are still free to accept the vaccination though.

Dd tested positive on Friday, DH had a positive LFT yesterday (with symptoms) despite being double vaccinated. Should I really go about my normal business while I wait for PCR results ?!?!

traumatisednoodle I think it would be sensible for you to isolate, but if you need to work outside the home then I guess it is up to your employer to decide if they want to give you time off?

Dd tested positive yesterday. I have spent many hours over the weekend in a car with her and I'm waiting for a PCR test to arrive. If this had happened two weeks in the future, I'd be going into a classroom with 30 children (I'm a teacher) and not able to distance from them all. It's nuts.

So basically if you are a close contact of someone with suspected Covid, as long as you're fully vaccinated, you can just go about your business, but it'd be jolly good if you did test anyway, but don't worry if you don't want to, and even if you do decide to be a good sport and test, you can still go to the pub whilst waiting for your results?

That's an absolute shambles.

@DumplingsAndStew

So basically if you are a close contact of someone with suspected Covid, as long as you're fully vaccinated, you can just go about your business, but it'd be jolly good if you did test anyway, but don't worry if you don't want to, and even if you do decide to be a good sport and test, you can still go to the pub whilst waiting for your results?

That's an absolute shambles.

Yes and into hospitals and doctors' surgeries and schools and supermarkets and travel on buses and trains. People will have no option because employers will expect you in.

@lonelyplanet

That is madness. In Scotland, we are exempt from close contact isolation only if fully vaccinated and produce a negative PCR.

They'd be as well doing away with testing and isolating altogether if that's the rules.

The trouble with this is that it makes it the responsibility of the individual to decide where they go/what they do.
Eg if my husband tested positive then I would still walk the dog/take the children to the woods/fields for a run around, but wouldn't go shopping/the pub/soft play/my grandmothers house. Others may decide differently. And yes with work/school people will have no choice.

That said, I do think we have to eventually treat this as we would (for example) chicken pox. The unwell person stays home but you wouldn't keep a non symptomatic child (or parent) off of school (work) even though it's highly likely they've caught it if unvaccinated or not yet had it and could infect vulnerable people. We can't continue to isolate well people for 10 days at a time for ever.

The only other way forward would be a rapid result version of the PCR that could be done at home each day. But that's very expensive and terrible for the planet 🤷🏻‍♀️

We do give people the opportunity to self isolate for other illness .. my youngest has just been stuck indoors for 10 days with chicken pox. Couldn’t go to nursery, couldn’t go anywhere. Kinda the same as covid really now. Vaccines reduce the severity, that’s really the best we can ever hope for. To keep most people out of hospital. The alternative is locking down on repeat forever cos it ain’t going anywhere! And yes, nightclubs & theatres etc are people’s livelihoods & a huge thing millions enjoy. They don’t deserve to have to stay closed or at half capacity anymore than any other business!

@Tanith I’m a childminder and spoke to our LA today & she said she doesn’t know what will happen if a member of our family gets covid. I would presume we have to close but also could potentially lose 10 days of wages.
I have taken the decision not to allow children to attend who live with someone who has tested positive no matter what the guidance says. It won’t be forever but it doesn’t make sense that we can make this big jump so quickly. I’m just not comfortable risking it in my home.
I’ve been told our LA are pushing for more guidance.
The problem with these rule changes is that they announce them in a generic way but don’t have the detail ironed out enough. It’s frustrating.

[quote Daisy829]@Tanith I’m a childminder and spoke to our LA today & she said she doesn’t know what will happen if a member of our family gets covid. I would presume we have to close but also could potentially lose 10 days of wages.
I have taken the decision not to allow children to attend who live with someone who has tested positive no matter what the guidance says. It won’t be forever but it doesn’t make sense that we can make this big jump so quickly. I’m just not comfortable risking it in my home.
I’ve been told our LA are pushing for more guidance.
The problem with these rule changes is that they announce them in a generic way but don’t have the detail ironed out enough. It’s frustrating.[/quote]
Daisy is your approach standard? I’m wondering if child care settings will all do this for general safety?

@Daisy829 The DofE confirmed today that childminders must close if a family member tests positive. The Early Years Alliance held a Q&A session:

www.eyalliance.org.uk/sites/default/files/additional_childminders_qa_from_16_august_2021.pdf

A recent survey done by the EYA reported that around 40% of nurseries, preschools and childminders have had close fully or partially since June:
www.eyalliance.org.uk/news/2021/08/four-10-providers-close-due-self-isolation

@Whatdirection

I did some research about this over the weekend as l have had to self isolate as my son has Covid. I am double jabbed.

My interpretation is that being a close contact and living with someone who has Covid are treated as two separate things. You no longer have to self isolate if you have been a close contact BUT if you live with someone with Covid you still do.

The link to the press release above is confusing because it does not make any distinction between the two. I think it makes sense. You are far more exposed by living with someone for the full 10 days of isolation than perhaps one meet up where you met the definition of close contact ( 15 mins - less than 2 metres l think).

I am more than happy to be corrected on this.

Your interpretation is wrong. The actual advice is raelly not hard to find or understand. www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#exempt

@Twickerhun I’m not sure yet. Quite a few childminders I know have said that they will take this approach but I’m not sure about nurseries. I’m trying to find out what the consensus is. My friends who use nurseries have told me they’ve not had any info yet either.
I think it’s just a big step to take right now.

@Tanith thanks for the link I’ll take a look. Like I said, my LA said they were waiting on more info but having to close is what I would do anyway. I can’t have one rule for parents then another for my family! I’m sure it will be much better soon & hopefully back to more normality. Wonder if we will be able to get any financial compensation for having to close as I can’t charge for a service I can’t provide.
So many questions still.

I think there’s still an element of fear. For months we’ve been told to be careful etc etc then all of a sudden we can have people in our homes who live with someone who has covid. It’s a big leap to me.

@Tanith that link is really helpful. I’ll share it with my colleagues

@Twickerhun I’ve just found this which you could say backs up not allowing close contacts to attend a setting as we also have a duty of care to safeguard other children who attend.

@Daisy829 my childminder has just emailed us a new covid policy following the same approach as you!

My son is at nursery and they are following the law. I can't see how they could do anything different without getting in a complete pickle with regards to fees and contracts. Recently a few staff tested positive so half the nursery had to isolate and they couldn't charge fees (although I do wonder if they would have tried to charge had the cases been amongst children rather than staff). Touch wood, despite staff having it, so far no children have had a positive case.

@Twickerhun. Thank you for sharing that info that’s interesting. Sounds like it’s going to be a common theme for the moment. I’m hoping we can get through winter & things will be better again.
Is she charging if she doesn’t let the child attend (don’t feel obliged to answer that)

I’m off on hols after this week so just hoping to make it through the next 3 days, gather more info then redo my policy with a clear head & know