More deaths in the vaccinated ?

[TulipVictory]

Correct me if I'm wrong here but there are more deaths in the vaccinated?

Am I missing something or is this perhaps as it's the older population?

Official link:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/1009243/TechnicallBriefing20.pdf

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Can't read the screenshot you've attached. But as the majority of the population are now vaccinated, surely this isn't unexpected? If 100% of the population are vaccinated, 100% of deaths will be of vaccinated people

Possibly the time period - February to August 2021. The proportion of different age groups being vaccinated would change significantly over that time. The deaths in the unvaccinated group may have occurred much earlier within the sample period when very few would have had one jab, let alone both.

The vast majority of older, high risk people are vaccinated, so even if the vaccine is >80-90% effective you’d expect most ‘true’ covid deaths to be of vaccinated people.
Also vaccinated people will disproportionately be getting very mild disease, and some of these will die of non-covid related things within 30 days, which makes it more tricky to compare the two groups.

Yes exactly, it's about the proportion of the population that is vaccinated.

This was always going to happen. The vast majority of the adult population has had one vaccination and more than 75% have had both.

That rate is even higher in the over 50s - 94% of people over 50 have had both doses.

The vaccines aren’t 100% effective and, horribly, the conditions that make some people very vulnerable can also mean the vaccine is less effective in those people.

The takeaway from those numbers is that vaccination is really, really good at preventing deaths. Nearly a third of deaths are coming from around 5% of that population.

Well if 100% of people are vaccinated that's where 100% of the deaths will be...

Of course because most of them die as a result of something else but happen to have had Covid (even if asymptomatic) in the last 28 days

Age is still the biggest risk factor. The vaccine won’t be able to prevent all serious illness/deaths. The highest death rate is still in the over 80s (ONS).

In the States where only about half the adult population is vaccinated, most deaths are amongst the unvaccinated. But as most adults become vaccinated, as here, deaths will return to being mostly among get the (vaccinated) elderly.

Also more deaths in people with two elbows. That must mean that having two elbows is a high risk factor.

Help somebody save us!

Not srs

@Porcupineintherough

In the States where only about half the adult population is vaccinated, most deaths are amongst the unvaccinated. But as most adults become vaccinated, as here, deaths will return to being mostly among get the (vaccinated) elderly.

I think those unvaccinated deaths are still mainly in the elderly. The vaccine uptake in the elderly is lower in the US than here.

The vaccinated are the ones spreading it . My mate has got covid atm, she's had both jabs , I've been with her , im not vaccinated, I've been tested an I don't hav covid . Point proven
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Not this again!
It's just not difficult to comprehend!

@Mandela34

The vaccinated are the ones spreading it . My mate has got covid atm, she's had both jabs , I've been with her , im not vaccinated, I've been tested an I don't hav covid . Point proven 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

I mean, the point you seem to be proving there is that the vaccinated are NOT spreading it, since you haven't caught it from her?

This topic has been explored already recently

Is anyone else suprised at just how many fully vaccinated people are catching Covid? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4316442-Is-anyone-else-suprised-at-just-how-many-fully-vaccinated-people-are-catching-Covid

This was covered really well on a recent episode of more or less.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p09rkn2z

This is it.

I think those unvaccinated deaths are still mainly in the elderly. The vaccine uptake in the elderly is lower in the US than here.

Nope. It's more by state than age in the US. Both re vaccination uptake, and unvaccinated deaths. Is one vaccine type less effective than another at preventing deaths?

Data from USA (and Israel and Norway) is majority of deaths (whatever age) are in the unvaccinated. Fully vaccinated are getting breakthrough infection but rarely needing hospital.

I think it would be helpful to have a vaccine breakdown (AZ, Pfizer, Moderna) for the UK fully vaccinated deaths.

@orangejumpsuit - yup. Will post this here again for the LOLS:

@Tealightsandd

I think those unvaccinated deaths are still mainly in the elderly. The vaccine uptake in the elderly is lower in the US than here.

Nope. It's more by state than age in the US. Both re vaccination uptake, and unvaccinated deaths. Is one vaccine type less effective than another at preventing deaths?

Data from USA (and Israel and Norway) is majority of deaths (whatever age) are in the unvaccinated. Fully vaccinated are getting breakthrough infection but rarely needing hospital.

I think it would be helpful to have a vaccine breakdown (AZ, Pfizer, Moderna) for the UK fully vaccinated deaths.

Age is still the biggest risk factor. The point I’m making is that many older people are still unvaccinated in the US compared to the U.K. so it’s not really surprising that there are more hospitalisations/deaths in the unvaccinated - older age groups are still the highest risk groups.

covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccination-demographics-trends

Bumbley

The point is that in the USA the deaths (whatever the age) are almost all in the unvaccinated. Fully vaccinated elderly people in the US are not the ones dying. It is the unvaccinated.

The USA data suggests that Pfizer and Moderna offer strong protection against death.

You need to look at how it’s measured for U.K. v US

Iirc there is a fundamental difference on how

@MarshaBradyo

You need to look at how it’s measured for U.K. v US

Iirc there is a fundamental difference on how

In what way?

Either someone is fully vaccinated, or they're not.

If there's no difference between the vaccines wrt UK fully vaccinated deaths, why not release the data?

US include people dying from Covid

We include people with Covid when dying

I mean elderly must still be dying in US, not immortal, here they would be included but not there

It changes the numbers so you can’t compare easily

As an example - 100 people die of covid, 50% are vaccinated, 50.% are not. If 75% of adults are vaccinated across the population it means you are 3x more likely to die if you are unvaccinated (apologies if my maths is wrong!). Basically the more people are vaccinated the higher the probability that people who are vaccinated are among the dead, it doesn't mean they are more likely to die than an unvaccinated person in the same age profile!