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Now it's the young ones ruining statistics

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ruumis · 12/08/2021 16:40

Dm is a character and now she is blaming young people filling hospitals. Apparently they are fat and so unhealthy that they can't cope covid. She doesn't remember that before vaccines they were filling hospitals. I can't be bothered to argue with her but is this the thing old people thinking now?

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Tealightsandd · 13/08/2021 00:19

Just realised Boris is old old going off those groupings. He's late 50s now isn't he.
But he clearly still has young (or at least healthy) sperm.

BluebellsGreenbells · 13/08/2021 00:35

a) It's 'only' the elderly at risk. Not true - particularly with Delta, but even before Delta, millions of younger people are clinically vulnerable

It’s the children who’ve been thrown under a bus! Huge schools, no vaccines, no social distancing, left to spread a virus who knows how it could infect them? There are loads of poorly children in vast schools, yet the elderly are at home all safe and well because they’ve had their vaccines.

I’m worried about my children mixing in large numbers in different classes, dinner halls and in cold classrooms expected to concentrate on heir education

3 teens 3 different schools all 1000+ students and 100’s teachers - very different to the elderly playing cards one night a week with close friends.

Arcminute · 13/08/2021 00:36

@PrincessNutNuts

Hospital admissions by age:
Just to be clear, this is hospital admission rates by age and it’s a comparator with a January 2021 date so it doesn’t say anything about actual numbers now and proportions by age. It’s still possible that the majority of admissions are in the over 50s (I have no idea either way) - is there a similar graphic showing hospital admissions as you describe?
Tealightsandd · 13/08/2021 01:00

It’s the children who’ve been thrown under a bus! Huge schools, no vaccines, no social distancing, left to spread a virus who knows how it could infect them? There are loads of poorly children in vast schools, yet the elderly are at home all safe and well because they’ve had their vaccines.

It's not one versus the other. Most children love their grandparents and don't want to lose them. Children aren't on their own in schools. They're with teachers and other staff.

60+ aren't playing cards at home. Many of them are working. Including in schools. Others are providing (usually free) childcare so that the children's mum and dad can work. Grandparents are increasingly essential to the economy.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective, and data from Israel suggests immunity might wane after a certain period.

Ideally we'd have enough vaccine supply to do 12+, and boosters for 50+ and CV. But i don't even know if we have enough to do all adults that need them.

Children are much lower risk than adults but I understand your concern. We should certainly be doing more to mitigate the risks (to children and adults). Even without vaccines, we should do the same as many other countries including European neighbours. Better ventilation - and the simple easy thing of masks in schools. Why we're not at the very least masking, I don't know.

PrincessNutNuts · 13/08/2021 01:00

Yes, you're right @Arcminute.

This chart is from the same page.

Age groups from 25-74 are fairly evenly represented in hospital admissions.

Now it's the young ones ruining statistics
Arcminute · 13/08/2021 01:21

That still shows rates per 100,000. Without knowing the population by age group it still tells me nothing about whether there are more over-50s being admitted or not. I don’t know either way, I’m not arguing for or against that statement, but if there are going to be screenshots of graphs it would help to see them meaningfully supporting the argument given.

bumbleymummy · 13/08/2021 08:21

@Arcminute you can download the spreadsheet with the figures I quoted from here:

www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/

Last link at the bottom.

Arcminute · 13/08/2021 09:09

Thanks bumbleymummy - it’s good to see where the data comes from. I’m not actually especially bothered about the statement itself, just making the point that if people are making arguments backed up by graphs it helps if the graphs do actually support the argument.

frozendaisy · 13/08/2021 09:11

Does she lift her opinions from the Daily Mail?

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