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Why are you having a go just because you don’t want the vaccine

52 replies

Buttonsam · 11/08/2021 00:26

I’m absolutely fed up of people I know who are choosing not to have the vaccine wanting to start conversation about them not having the vaccine and how it hasn’t been tested long enough. Then I hear them start to get annoyed saying “but what’s in it”. I’ve given up entertaining it and started to say I’m not interested in Covid just to shut people up. I find it weird that people get angry about a vaccine that’s intended to help. I’ve had both jabs and I just don’t feel the need to have a go at people for not having it. I accept its personal choice. Really irritated at family members doing this and actually find them selfish for not having the vaccine. God forbid if they ever get it. I do hope they don’t suffer with long Covid as it will be me and other family members rallying around caring for them!

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XenoBitch · 11/08/2021 00:31

Maybe that is the company you keep, but I have experienced the total opposite, and observed the same on MN. The people I know who are not having it never bring it up.

FakingMemories · 11/08/2021 00:34

Would you be rallying around and caring for them if the vaccine made them very ill?

Or if someone in your family developed lung cancer because they were a smoker would you help them? Or liver disease because of alcohol? Or were injured in a car crash because they were speeding?

It’s their choice. Getting upset about is unlikely to change their mind so you may as well save your energy.

Cocogreen · 11/08/2021 00:43

Honestly, it's best not to engage in conversation about it.
A woman I know through a volunteer group was spouting vaccine nonsense recently and none of us bothered arguing, we just changed the subject. Lots of eyerolls behind her back though.

Budsaway · 11/08/2021 00:49

I'm over it too. I don't care that you didn't get it or your reasons for not getting it, stop being so boringly defensive. We already know your reasons - you are scared of needles/generally anxious, it's 'experimental', it's not tested, it's new technology, you don't need it because covid doesn't scare you and yeah we know you aren't an anti vaxxer just anti this vax.

PopcornMuncher · 11/08/2021 03:26

Not my experience either. The only person I know who isn't having it is hoping no one will start a conversation about it as they are worried they will get abuse for not having it. I suspect I know more than one person not having it but they are keeping quiet about it

newnortherner111 · 11/08/2021 07:02

Never had any conversation with anyone who has not had the vaccine, a few people have advised of reluctance but a specific reason for having it. We must move in different circles, though I agree with you not wanting to discuss it as it is your preference.

Roselilly36 · 11/08/2021 07:11

@Cocogreen

Honestly, it's best not to engage in conversation about it. A woman I know through a volunteer group was spouting vaccine nonsense recently and none of us bothered arguing, we just changed the subject. Lots of eyerolls behind her back though.
Exactly, it not worth discussing, everyone has the right to choose for themselves, no one should bother to influence either way. It’s certainly not something I would discuss.
SpringRainbow · 11/08/2021 07:18

I haven’t really spoken to anyone other than family about the vaccine. Outside of family, I only know the vaccine status of a few friends and colleagues.

The majority of people I come into contact with I haven’t got a clue if they have had the vaccine or not.

In fact I haven’t really spoken about Covid in ‘real life’ with anyone other than my husband and parents for weeks, oh and my boss mentioned it briefly yesterday when doing a “look how well we have done” speech. When I have spoken it’s just been a passing mention.

The most I speak about Covid is on here!

In my ‘real life’ Covid is starting to feel like a distant memory.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 11/08/2021 07:34

The only people I know who've said they aren't having it are anti vaxx nutjobs unfortunately and more than happy to share their 'theories'.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 11/08/2021 07:41

I have found the opposite - the people I know who aren't vaccinated stay completely silent on the subject, even when vaccination is being discussed (usually by someone with strong "why isn't everyone vaccinated?" views). I'm vaccinated but not too worried what others do.

kowari · 11/08/2021 07:44

Not my experience at all. People I know who haven't had it just say they are not having it when asked. They are not the ones bringing it up.

QueenStromba · 11/08/2021 07:48

Some of them probably think that it enough people don't take the vaccine then they won't introduce vaccine passports (which is bollocks of course as vaccine passports are more necessary with lower uptake). Some are lashing out a bit because they're scared of getting the vaccine and are as much trying to persuade themselves that they're doing the right thing. Some have just swallowed the anti vac propaganda so deeply that they genuinely believe the vaccines are harmful and that it's their civic duty to stop people taking them.

ivykaty44 · 11/08/2021 07:51

I was asked by one friend why my Dd was having the vaccination as she had covid, I explained it scared her so much how poorly she was that she was going to protect herself from hopefully getting it again or that bad. I then went on to say everyone I know that had covid has got the vaccination as the don’t want the illness again. He changed the subject rapidly. He is anti vax

Sunshine1235 · 11/08/2021 07:57

This is not my experience. I am not vaccinated and have several friends who aren’t and we all avoid the conversation at any cost (which is hard given the number of people who bring up having their vaccine in every day conversation). It’s a private medical decision, I don’t want to share it and I don’t want to become some kind of social outcast because of my decision so I avoid. Of course I'm sure you’ll get some people who won’t be quiet about it but that’s true of any subject and someone who thinks their opinion is the most important/interesting

Itsprobablynotcominghome · 11/08/2021 08:00

@FakingMemories

Would you be rallying around and caring for them if the vaccine made them very ill?

Or if someone in your family developed lung cancer because they were a smoker would you help them? Or liver disease because of alcohol? Or were injured in a car crash because they were speeding?

It’s their choice. Getting upset about is unlikely to change their mind so you may as well save your energy.

I’d happily forgo those people in those situations receiving NHS care, or I suppose if I am being nice, they can pay for their care.

Maybe I am just a fascist.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 11/08/2021 08:04

@TheYearOfSmallThings

I have found the opposite - the people I know who aren't vaccinated stay completely silent on the subject, even when vaccination is being discussed (usually by someone with strong "why isn't everyone vaccinated?" views). I'm vaccinated but not too worried what others do.
This.

The only people I have encountered in the flesh who have pontificated about Covid vaccines have all been vaccine-zealots. They're just as tedious as lunatic anti-vaxxers, but with the added annoyance that they appear to be far, far more numerous.

ablutiions · 11/08/2021 09:28

If anyone anti vax tries to engage with me on it I tell them I wholeheartedly disagree with them, am double vaccinated and won't engage further as we will never agree. I also don't spend time with non vaxxed people if I can help it, owing to my own vulnerability.

We recently had an overnight adult guest who I thought was vaxxed, he wasn't and turned out to have covid. We all had to isolate for 10 days 🙄.

I know I can't avoid it entirely, but it's all about managing risk and minimising exposure and why would I knowingly mix with people who would increase my risk of dying from something that could be prevented ?

GertrudeKerfuffle · 11/08/2021 09:57

They're probably feeling insecure about their choice and looking for validation.

canigooutyet · 11/08/2021 10:03

It's no different really to calling people selfish because they have made a choice that differs to yours.

That's what I'm fed up with, Along with tossing out they are anti vaxxers, when it's a case of them not wanting this particular vaccine.

BabyElephant2 · 11/08/2021 10:36

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MrsLCSofLichfield · 11/08/2021 10:49

@ivykaty44

I was asked by one friend why my Dd was having the vaccination as she had covid, I explained it scared her so much how poorly she was that she was going to protect herself from hopefully getting it again or that bad. I then went on to say everyone I know that had covid has got the vaccination as the don’t want the illness again. He changed the subject rapidly. He is anti vax
Ah, real life didn't fit in with his 'theories', bless. I think the really aggressive posters on here are scared, and I expect that happens IRL too. I call it the smell of wallopers' fear Grin
ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 11/08/2021 11:00

This is obviously the current polarised Brexit debate as it’s impossible to convert the stubborn to switch teams. I’m team science and was first in the queue to get both vaccinations at the earliest opportunity. Pretty much all others I know from friends and family over twelve or seventeen are double vaccinated too.

I have come across one neighbour who shocked me as being anti vaxx. I listen to his story and understood his concerns and unique lifestyle and brief personal historical background. I was not so much surprised in what he said as he is a recent immigrant from a particular BAME background being of (by his own admission) mixed First Nation Native African American heritage but grew up in Washington DC. He is married to a British Afro Caribbean lady. We live in a tolerant and harmonious multicultural society with English and other west European amongst peoples from east Asia, Russia and Middle East who even bring their high power exotic cars over to stay during the summer months.

As an aside but relevant background here - this chap told me about the historical treatment of his peoples in recent decades and centuries and how the European colonialists essentially experimented scientifically with various drugs and treatments on his type over recent lifetime memory as if human rats or monkeys in a lab for drugs and cosmetics development etc. A lot of first hand or passed down knowledge that is not reported on or spoken about outside of these communities in the media. He is the only person of his background in my community. They are an interesting couple as a bit different from my core central London residence typical trim and healthy yummy mummy wearing ubiquitous Reformation summer dress Veja white trainers, Luluemon yoga or The Fold formal office attire and cool dads brigade wearing Lorro Piana etc all mostly driving Tesla or Audi RS6 or Mercedes G Class AMG with a few in “green” Range Rover Autobiography plug in hybrids just to set the scene. All of us are otherwise double vaccinated and don’t see the what the fuss is all about and grateful that England finally did one proactive Covid mitigation right and that was to procure and develop our own vaccines and to get the NHS and British Army to logistically roll out the mass vaccination at some pace efficiently.

I believe the vaccination has made a major difference in community transmission and onwards super spreading. It has prevented many from severe symptoms or needing hospitalisation. It does not prevent contracting the virus but does I believe make a huge difference along with all hands, face, space and trace mitigations. If the whole country is anti vaxx or we not had the opportunity to be vaccination - we would see a totally different deadly Covid landscape!

I believe as widely recently media reported some anti vaxx who are unlikely to recover from Covid are although too late for them - asking their fellow anti vaxx lovers to get on board with science and get jabbed or continue to roll the dice on fate. I believe it’s a free choice but if you perish with Covid unvaccinated - that would indicate it is not the better choice! Naturally immunity without scientific intervention via vaccination may not do much against fast spreading and mutating super contagious and more deadly variants.

Finally there are a few, a small percentage of the population who for various medical complications can not be vaccinated and therefore have no luxury of added vaccinated protection. For these in our communities - the vaccinations protects us first and foremost but obviously also others in our breathing space and nearby contacts when out and about our daily lives including the medically compromised and vulnerable.

Get fully vaccinated to protect yourself, your family and friends and by extension - the community and nation! And no - not convinced by any anti vaxx other than being foolish and dangerous to themselves and others.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 11/08/2021 11:14

I’m talking about the conspira-dunces here : I think they just want everyone to know how special they are and how much cleverer they are than what they consider “obedient sheeple”

DameFanny · 11/08/2021 14:02

@BabyElephant2

“I accept it’s a personal choice”.. next line “actually find them really selfish for not having it” Hmm I work in emergency healthcare and actually did some overtime in a vaccination clinic until I decided I’d seen enough. I choose not to have it and they won’t be coming near any of my family with it, but I don’t mention it unless it’s brought up.
Seen enough of what @BabyElephant2? Why would working in a vaccination clinic put you off being vaccinated?
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