A thread of acceptance and compassion? (I hope)

Defiantly41 · 07/08/2021 20:23

Thank you, yes

Blackopal · 07/08/2021 20:23

disconnecteddrifter · 07/08/2021 20:24

Please help. Sdd had cornavirus and her household are isolating. Ten days up tomorrow. Her brother has symptoms and testes positive today. Does this mean the other people in that house have to isolate a further 10 days as brother is positive or will their isolatin end regardless. And if you have an answer could you show me any links as this is causing disagreements.
Many thanks

Potatoy · 07/08/2021 20:25

Covid is shit enough as it is without destroying each other's hearts with darkness and hate.

XenoBitch · 07/08/2021 20:26

Best post I have seen on this board. Am 100% with you.

leafyygreens · 07/08/2021 20:30

@KeepYourCustardCreams

We've been pitted against each other too much and for too long. It's been a hell of an 18 months for so many people. Most people have been bewildered, or scared, or angry, or upset, or grieving (for people or old ways of life), or bewildered.

No one has the answers to any of this. Information and policy keep changing. It's incredibly complicated, and confusing.

So I for one just want to say (and I hope others will join me)...

If you've chosen to be jabbed - great.
If you've chosen not to be jabbed - also great.
If you've been pro-lockdown, anti-lockdown, loved the masks, hated them, think our government locked down too much, or that it didn't do enough... I totally wish you well and respect that we have different perspectives and experiences of this.

If you've got or have had COVID, whether or not you're jabbed, I hope you're OK and/or get well very soon.

Can we try to resist the divisions we're being encouraged to make, and have one thread where we can state our commitment to just being decent to each other and completely accepting each other's different decisions, etc.?

Who's with me?

So much of this is driven by those who spread deliberately misinformation. When this is repeated over and over again, posters (including myself) get frustrated.

The posters that do this are literally causing harm during a global health emergency - be it by discouraging vaccination or promoting drugs that have no evidence for efficacy.

I have absolutely no issue with those who don't want to get vaccinated, or can't wear masks or any of the rest of it. I appreciate how difficult it must be.

BenjiMcSchmenzie · 07/08/2021 20:35

Bravo OP 👍 Everyone’s life has changed in the last 18 months and, being human, we don’t all react the same way.

AvaCallanach · 07/08/2021 20:39

@disconnecteddrifter

Please help. Sdd had cornavirus and her household are isolating. Ten days up tomorrow. Her brother has symptoms and testes positive today. Does this mean the other people in that house have to isolate a further 10 days as brother is positive or will their isolatin end regardless. And if you have an answer could you show me any links as this is causing disagreements. Many thanks

No, we had this situation and test and trace confirmed that you are released if not caught it after 10 days. Graphic from public health England attached.

A thread of acceptance and compassion? (I hope)

Horizon44 · 07/08/2021 20:50

I agree with you. I'm finding this one of the hardest times in my life due to the constant bitching and judgement on all sides. My anxiety is through the roof. I haven't had the vaccine. I want it, but my husband doesn't agree with it. I've made 3 appointments and chickened out of all of them. Sometimes I dream I've had it and feel relief then wake up and remember that I haven't, and that if anyone that knows me knew I was an 'antivaxxer' they would probably hate me. I've just stopped seeing people now so they won't know. The loneliest and most shameful time of my life.

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KeepYourCustardCreams · 07/08/2021 20:52

@disconnecteddrifter - I don't know about this, but looks like good info from @AvaCallanach.

Hope your SDD is better now, and that her brother doesn't have too tough a time of it

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disconnecteddrifter · 07/08/2021 20:53

Thank you @avacallanach

disconnecteddrifter · 07/08/2021 20:54

Thank you @keepyourcustard creams. Was so worried they would all end up isolating forever.

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KeepYourCustardCreams · 07/08/2021 20:56

@Horizon44 - I'm so sorry things are so hard. Please know that there are LOTS of people out there (and I'm hoping we can gently attract some of this sentiment to this thread) who totally respect and understand any decision you choose to make, and who know how hard this is. Also SO many people who are also not clear about best courses of action (how can anyone be, really?), and understand your indecision. Deep breaths, and know that really, there is no right and wrong here

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XenoBitch · 07/08/2021 21:03

@Horizon44

I agree with you. I'm finding this one of the hardest times in my life due to the constant bitching and judgement on all sides. My anxiety is through the roof. I haven't had the vaccine. I want it, but my husband doesn't agree with it. I've made 3 appointments and chickened out of all of them. Sometimes I dream I've had it and feel relief then wake up and remember that I haven't, and that if anyone that knows me knew I was an 'antivaxxer' they would probably hate me. I've just stopped seeing people now so they won't know. The loneliest and most shameful time of my life.

It honestly feels like it is other people that are the enemy at the moment, and not Covid. If anything, the pandemic has given people free license to be absolutely shocking towards each other. I get that people are scared, but some of the comments you see are extreme.

I guess you have probably already thought if this anyway, but could you get the vaccine and not tell your husband?

MonkeysWedding · 07/08/2021 21:05

Hurrah! So refreshing to read a moderate, compassionate post.

herecomesthsun · 07/08/2021 21:20

Well, the thing is though that we are all interconnected in society, so the antivaxxer next door might be fine after having covid, but could give it to his as yet unvaccinated pregnant neighbour - who wouldn't be fine?

There is an element of communal effort to which we could all still helpfully aspire, even if vaccines, masks etc aren't being legally enforced.

No lockdown sceptic is an island.

And I don't think anyone actually likes masks, substantially the benefit is for other people.

Apart from that, being nice to other is erm nice,

Horizon44 · 07/08/2021 21:23

Thank you OP xx
@XenoBitch It has occurred to me. But I am now so worried that if anything bad did happen as a result, he would find out and be upset/ furious... And right. Also I would then have to continue keeping the fact I'd had it secret. So although I would feel 'protected' from covid, I wouldn't be protected from the abuse or social isolation. Which are actually far more damaging to me, in all honesty. I wonder how many people there are like me amongst the unvaxed. Either they admit they are controlled, which is a huge thing. Or they defend a position of vaccine hesitancy they are not fully behind, and keep their family plodding along for the sake of their kids/ their own safety. I just wish everyone would consider that this group of women (because let's be honest, it's going to be women) exist.

firstimemamma · 07/08/2021 21:25

Couldn't agree more op.

MushMonster · 07/08/2021 21:25

Count me in!
We went into this together and we will come out of this together!
Hand holding to everyone that had or is having difficulties.

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KeepYourCustardCreams · 07/08/2021 21:28

@herecomesthsun I think we all have different ways of caring for each other based on different understanding of the situation. Communal efforts come in many forms. I think we can still go for compassion. All the best.

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nothanksbarb · 07/08/2021 21:29

What a lovely post - faith in humanity feels somewhat restored ❤️ i don't care who does what anymore quite frankly, I'm just tired of the toxic us and them situation that's been created and is tearing families apart. Didn't we see enough of that with Brexit?

Thanks op.

herecomesthsun · 07/08/2021 21:37

[quote KeepYourCustardCreams]@herecomesthsun I think we all have different ways of caring for each other based on different understanding of the situation. Communal efforts come in many forms. I think we can still go for compassion. All the best.[/quote]
So this is a - very nice- version of "let's all do what we want and the vulnerable / elderly etc people can do what they want -in their little bunker out of sight somewhere" ?

Asking for a friend.

Compassionately & etc.

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KeepYourCustardCreams · 07/08/2021 21:49

@herecomesthsun no of course it's not. That's a million miles from what I'm saying. I'm sorry that's the interpretation you're taking from it, and don't really want to get into to and fro debates here. Again, there are a million ways to care for other people in our communities, but we're sometimes getting too fixated on a few highly debated ones. (And also sometimes, when people are really struggling, they may also not be in the best place to do active things for the community, and may need understanding on this basis too. We'll all be there at some points in our lives). We're all human, and we all need to feel a bit of acceptance and positivity.
Again, all the very best to you

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KeepYourCustardCreams · 07/08/2021 21:52

@Horizon44 - that sounds so very tough. Yes, I'll bet there are many others in a similar situation, who can't speak out. I know someone who's had the converse situation that she really didn't want to be vaccinated but has been essentially forced by her husband. Almost no one knows, and it's been highly traumatic for her. Again, I'm so sorry about how hard it must be to have the situation you describe.

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PopcornMuncher · 07/08/2021 21:53

Horizon, you should do what YOU want. You sound as if you're scared of your DH. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree but you sound a little controlled and as if you're not allowed your own opinions