My husband is an anti-vaxxer

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Hi all,

Please could anyone help?

My husband is an anti vaxxer and I’m scared for him. We have been together for over 10 years and he’s 34, I work in a large hotel company and see 1000’s of people each week, he works on his own as a tradesman. I am terrified that I will bring covid home from work. We have a 15 month old baby and my biggest fear is that my husband will die from covid and leave us behind.

Is there any information I can give him to encourage him to get the vaccine? I know I can’t force him but it’s really becoming an issue in our relationship, we can’t even talk about covid without getting into an argument. I just can’t believe he wouldn’t try to protect himself now he’s a dad?

His family is very keen in to alternative medicine, natural remedies etc, my mother in law has also not had the vaccine. It doesn’t help that we don’t know anyone personally to have had covid let alone be seriously affected by it. I’ve told him about the people in icu are young and unvaccinated.

Any help to reassure me would be great! Please and thank you!

[quote Sugarandtime]@Hekatestorch
I know that my medical insurance and many others don’t cover for things as a result of adverse reactions to the COVID injections.
I wonder if some life insurance could be similar[/quote]
What happens if you don't get the injection but then get covid?

Sorry to be nosey, just quite interested by this. Because people maybe put off having the vaccine, if they aren't insured for adverse reactions. Are you in country where if you insurance doesn't pay out, you have to find the money yourself?

@Hekatestorch
To be honest , I don’t know.
I’m in England and have Bupa. I’d imagine if Bupa don’t cover then most if not all other private medical insurance will be the same.

@Haffiana

Just be careful that you don't catch The Cult from him.

This made be 😃

Thanks for all of your replies. He is an avius anti vaxxer who is thoroughly influenced by YouTube conspiracy theories, he has had all his vaccines as has my DS, it’s just the covid situation that my husband doesn’t believe.
If my DS wasn’t here I would let him get on with it, but it’s not about me or him it’s about our DS, the stability of having his dad who is healthy etc
Thank you honestly for all your replies, it’s given me lots to think about and certainly will be getting life insurance sorted ASAP,

[quote Sugarandtime]@Hekatestorch
To be honest , I don’t know.
I’m in England and have Bupa. I’d imagine if Bupa don’t cover then most if not all other private medical insurance will be the same.[/quote]
I’m waiting for axa to get back to me. Not vaccinated yet, and guess what, not an anti vaxxer. Just not comfortable with these ones.

Do you travel at all (prior to pandemic)?

Grant Shapps has already stated he expects all countries to have vaccination requirements forever. So if you want an overseas holiday, you have to get vaccinated, end of story. It would be quite limiting for him to never have the chance to go overseas with his wife and child.
He might not agree with it, but he can't control the entry requirements of 200 countries. Not even screaming his lungs out outside 10 Downing Street would change that.

Also as he is a tradesman, many of his customers may require him to have the jab. Pimlico Plumbers are already saying no jab no job. Even if he is self employed, I can see that some customers may ask about it.

I find that with anti vaxers, its very hard to persuade them. But the fact is, it would be hard to participate in society without the vaccine; harder for some people than others. And it would only become harder.

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“I think double vaccination or full vaccination is going to be a feature for evermore, and most countries, probably all countries, will require full vaccination for you to enter,” he told BBC radio on Thursday.

Shapps also urged more young adults to come forward to be vaccinated, warning they would not be able to travel without it.

“If you are perhaps in your twenties and you feel like ‘oh this does not really affect me’, well it is going to because you are not going to be able to leave the country. That is not something the British government is doing, that is something that is being required by every government around the world,” he told LBC radio.

@Crowsaregreat the OP doesn’t have to like it, the OP can judge her husband, the OP can disagree. The OP can (and should) get insurance to protect her family as much as she can.

She cannot force her husband to change his mind and get the jab.

Personally, I don’t understand her husbands point of view. I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want to protect yourself and your family as much as you could.

I do however respect that the OPs husband isn’t me. The OPs husband has a right to make his own decision.

I don’t like it, I don’t understand it, I slightly judge, but I also respect that it’s his body, his choice, and I cannot make other people do what I want them to do.

I’m slightly surprised by all the posts about life insurance. Surely the insurance companies will either be refusing new coverage to people who aren’t jabbed or excluding covid related death and illness all round? I can’t see an insurer in a pandemic covering death by the pandemic, it would be a huge risk to them.

Well, if he doesn’t want the vaccine he doesn’t have to have it. He’s in a low risk group anyway. Maybe he’s already immune? Perhaps he could have an antibody test?

@TheCountessofFitzdotterel

I’m slightly surprised by all the posts about life insurance. Surely the insurance companies will either be refusing new coverage to people who aren’t jabbed or excluding covid related death and illness all round? I can’t see an insurer in a pandemic covering death by the pandemic, it would be a huge risk to them.

I've not seen anything anywhere about how insurers are handling covid as a health risk (seen some stuff about travel insurance). Number of issues really - would they cover for risk of death from covid in vaccinated people, from risk of long covid, from risk of loss of earnings from covid related circumstances, and from any of the above in unvaccinated people (those who are unvaccinated through choice). I imagine they are just beginning to get their heads round this but maybe they've got it all worked out, just I've seen nothing.

But not covering people who choose not to be vaccinated seems like a no-brainer.

But if some if not all private medical insurance companies are not covering things do to with a adverse reactions to the injections, they clearly aren’t very confident in the injections for whatever reason.
Therefore I would have thought it would be more a case of life insurance companies not covering people who have had the injections.

The life insurance part is only guess work on my part, I haven’t actually looked into what the life insurance companies are doing.

Are you and your DP planning another child OP? It's possible the vaccine might help with TTC...if fully vaccinated Boris Johnson's obvious fertility is anything to go by.

Remind him that Covid infection has been associated with erectile dysfunction in men.

As an aside about life insurance, the company I used to work for only offered cover up till age 70 (age 65 was oldest you could be when taking it out as minimum five year term) and rates went up dramatically as age increased. Rates also further increased for any underlying health conditions likely to increase covid risk, or the person was simply refused cover.

So given the acceptance criteria and pricing structure it's actually quite likely that they didn't see much of an increase in claims due to the pandemic. Most of the death claims, given that it wasn't the elderly, tended to be heart disease and cancer related with the odd RTA, suicide and even a couple of murders.

The health questions at time of purchase didn't include any questions regardling customer innoculation history.

Somewhat of a tangent, just in case anyone was wondering.

As a pp pointed out, if he's self employed Long Covid disability will leave him (and you and ds) financially vulnerable.

He also has a duty of care (if not legally definitely morally) to his clients, including the elderly and vulnerable. Vaccines work well but aren't 100% effective particularly for some vulnerable groups.

Remind him that SARS-Cov-2 is a new virus - possibly bioweapon research leaked from a lab (the Wuhan Institute of Virology).

We therefore can't yet know everything about it's long term effects. We do know it can cause heart, lung, brain, kidney, and liver damage, diabetes, hearing loss, and ED. Conventional scans aren't always picking up the damage and kt often requires a specialist scan not many have yet had access to.

Oh and once you had your insurance policy it didn't matter what you then did or didn't do, as long as you were truthful at date of purchase. You weren't to kill yourself for six months after purchase is all.

Surely you should have put life insurance in place for both of you the moment you realised you were pregnant or took out a mortgage regardless of covid realistically your dh is more likely die of loads of other things than covid why is it only a covid death that seems to be a trigger to get life insurance

Just let him crack on.

His body his choice.

And when the ventilators are full in December. It’s our NHS, our choice who gets priority.

@Itsprobablynotcominghome

Eurgh.

First of all, it's not "our choice" who the NHS treats. Thankfully your superiority complex opinions have nothing to do with NHS decision making.

Secondly, if we're going down that vein should the NHS deny treatment to all those who got an STI from having unprotected sex because they "should have just used a condom".

Ridiculous.

He is an avius anti vaxxer who is thoroughly influenced by YouTube conspiracy theories, he has had all his vaccines as has my DS, it’s just the covid situation that my husband doesn’t believe.

Doesn't believe? As in he thinks covid is a hoax?