Doubtful UK vaccinate teens in Sept!

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I think many discussions in here considering every other country vaccinating 12 to 15 year olds including India and Ireland that UK may change position on vaccinating teens when they have extra supplies.

But then saw this and all pfizer going as 3rd booster doses to over 50s and groups 1 to 10 i assume.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9849067/ALL-50s-clinically-vulnerable-offered-Pfizer-booster-shot.html
Also imagine that's quite lot resources ie vaccination centres, staff and volunteers to facilitate booster roll out.

Makes me think teens bottom of queue again.
I would even pay privately for my asthmatic 15 year old to have jab as shes year 11 gcses and my 12 year old year 7 both key years.
She wants to have it.

Kind of dreading school outbreaks in autumn winter and them freezing in their classrooms.
Ironically a packed public bus still wearing masks with open windows..
School no distancing. No masks. Poor ventilation , no isolating is the perfect condition for virus to spread and thrive.

Still baffles me how a double vaccinated adult has same status as unvaccinated 18 year old in terms risk assessing chances of spread we know kids not immune 10 to 19 was fast rising group.

How is it vitally importantly a 18 year old uni student gets the jab but not a 15 year old.
I would argue from attending uni you can distance better at uni and choose to socialise at lunch that you have greater control over your day.
We used have small tutor groups and large lecture halls.
We told every jab matters and increased overall population immunity.
Theres something like 3million secondary school pupils across whole of the UK.
I expect they still won't prioritise teaching staff and many 20 something teachers may not have had 2nd jab if they maintain 8 week gap.

I feel the government owe parents and children a choice after 2 academic years disrupted to have a year with less disruption and uncertainty.
Which will lead to parents missing work
Parents getting covid despite being double jabbed.
Kids missing large chunk school
Lots supply staff.

No mitigating measures and downplaying kids don't get that ill.
They strongly advise 15 year old asthmatic daughter get flu jab every year.

@Peteycat

Unfair for parents to take time off work???!!

The kids have been mostly fine throughout the pandemic health wise, considering routine appointments for other issues have been abandoned. Why would they be vaccinated? For the economy? So parents can go to work?! No thank you.

Agree with you, our kids are being used now by some political maniacs, just heard on lbc some minister saying oh they do need to be injected so their education isn’t intterapted, no words left anymore Boys are 14 TIMES more likely to have heart problem from Pfizer's jab

Heyhohi - Thank you so much for your comment. I feel alone in this nightmare. I can't believe that people are discussing giving innocent children something we don't know the long term effects of.

Of course I want to protect the vulnerable myself. Not at the expense of children. To those of you who state that the injection has gone through trials etc. It has not. We have no long term data for this and its a very new type of drug to be used.

you do realise that young boys are far more likely to get myocarditis from covid than from the vaccine?

The children do not need to be vaccinated at all. Why are you so bothered about them if you are double jabbed? Surely you are protected?

The CEV person in my household has immune issues that mean no, we don't know that the jab has protected them (at all, or for normal expected duration of effect)

CEV isn't a category with age criteria. 2.5 million people is only a small proportion of the population, but it's still a lot of people, who may themselves go to school, work in one or have direct household who do, or who do other roles where close mixing is the (previous, perhaps re-asserted) norm.

Add in those for whom the jab just didn't 'take' properly, and that's quite a lot of people for whom the 'double jabbed' mantra is less than it seems.

Nether, I understand about CEV people. I really wish with all my heart that everybody will be safe. I know children can be vulnerable, so let the parents and health professionals doctors etc make a clinical decision on vaccinating them. I still don't believe we should be injecting children that do not need it because they deserve to be protected too.

What I'm trying to say is if a child is CEV, then obviously take all measures of protecting the child.

What I don't think is that all the other children should be injected because they have a right too to not have things injected into them.

My DS (13) would be vaccinated if he could as he's had COVID and doesn't want to be ill like that again. If paying for it privately becomes an option in the future, we'll do that.

Not vaccinating teens causes huge problems travelling abroad too, when other countries want vaccine passports for all over 12's.

A friend is due to travel to Malta but can't go now as her teens aren't jabbed, yet Malta expects them to be. The adults are ok as they're jabbed and the younger kids are exempt, but the teens can't go. So unfair. We should at least have the option to pay for it privately in the uk.

Good point Dauphinois so it’s not just a big problem at school.

I really this is more about not having enough vaccine yet and all 12 plus kids can be done.

Parental choice would be good.

I disagree. Medicines regulator has just past moderna for children over 12. Unvaccinated of any age risks themselves, their peers (some of which have had to be kept off school to avoid infection), their relatives and friends, and indeed the wider economy. many countries are vaccinating minors. I would now advise any one thinking of entering the teaching profession not to because of the risk to themselves and their families. Your vacinne protects others besides yourself. In this country infections are most rife amonst primary school children.

I am hopeful parents will get the choice about vaccinating 12-15 soon. My DC are v keen. If other partners don’t want their children done, fine.

@Peteycat

People need to stop putting all the blame on children. How about we think about the football that has been happening throughout?

If everyone thought it was such a great, safe idea to jab kids surely rappers, pop stars and you tubers would be doing a campaign to make the kids feel better about it?

Have you noticed they aren't?

John Roberts (@john_actuary) has a twitter thread about Scotland which raises some questions about transmission in children.

Apparently there has been a big jump in cases which looks to in the under 19 age group and looks like its likely to be associated with back to school testing.

If that is indeed the case and cases accelerate quickly in the next couple of weeks, i dont expect a policy of only vaccinating over 16s in England to last into October...

Peteycat
People need to stop putting all the blame on children. How about we think about the football that has been happening throughout

The highest numbers of cases were in school children and teens prior to schools breaking up.

If everyone thought it was such a great, safe idea to jab kids surely rappers, pop stars and you tubers would be doing a campaign to make the kids feel better about it?

I don’t know any kids that need any persuading on it, to he honest. They’ve made up their own minds that they want it. The scientists on Twitter saying it’s a good idea is a plus, too.

A simple test as to checking if something is a good idea is to look at what unhinged anti-vaxers like Us4Them are suggesting, and then do the opposite.

Unhinged anti vaxxers. Lovely. Again someone labeling, judging and generally being unpleasant towards people with different opinions.

You sound delightful. Even your user name tells me you are confused.

Having the vast majority of children unvaccinated and back at school risks others and themselves by feeding the infection rates. Some people will die, hospital beds will be occupied and waiting times increased, and many will get long covid being resulting in being off work for months resulting in hardship and deprivation to them and the loss of their taxes into the treasury and spends to aid the economy indeed they could be in need of state support via the tax payer for a very long time which in turn will mean less generous benefits as there is only so much money in the pot - it doesn't grow on trees.