To all the pregnant ladies - please get your jab

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Link: www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58014779

171 pregnant ladies admitted to hospital in last 3 months, 98% unvaccinated (3 had a single dose only, none double jabbed). One in 5 of them went on to have a premature birth

Conversely, more than 55,000 pregnant women have had the jab in the country with no safety concerns

So please get the jab if you’re pregnant

For the conspiracy theorist poster who said it was only on the BBC and nowhere else and therefore somehow shouldn't be believed...here you go:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/30/pregnant-women-urged-to-get-covid-jab-amid-rise-in-hospital-admissions

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pregnant-women-in-england-told-to-get-covid-vaccine-6fwsrr2vw

@pigglepot

For the conspiracy theorist poster who said it was only on the BBC and nowhere else and therefore somehow shouldn't be believed...here you go:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/30/pregnant-women-urged-to-get-covid-jab-amid-rise-in-hospital-admissions

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pregnant-women-in-england-told-to-get-covid-vaccine-6fwsrr2vw

And sky news.sky.com/story/covid-19-pregnant-women-urged-to-get-vaccinated-after-worrying-rise-in-hospital-admissions-for-coronavirus-12367378

It is really easy to get caught up in the swirl of opinion around, fertility ,pregnancy and babies. I felt a lot of pressure when I had a toddler due his MMR at the height of the paranoia around that scandal. There was a mood around that suggested that parents weren't doing everything they could for their child if they didn't avoid the vaccine. It was so illogical. In the end I took advice from trusted sources with appropriate knowledge and had him immunised. Afterwards I was really surprised at myself and at how I had got caught up in something in that way. I strongly advise you to take expert advice here rather than 'your sister's friend's uncle in Spain 'or whatever.

@pigglepot

For the conspiracy theorist poster who said it was only on the BBC and nowhere else and therefore somehow shouldn't be believed...here you go:

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/30/pregnant-women-urged-to-get-covid-jab-amid-rise-in-hospital-admissions

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pregnant-women-in-england-told-to-get-covid-vaccine-6fwsrr2vw

It's good that people continue to call out the rubbish posts which show they have no idea what they are talking about.

I didn't say it was just the BBC

@thenakedmolerat

I didn't say it was just the BBC

More shameless propaganda from what used to be a relatively unbiased news source.i loathe the BBC and judge the critical thinking skills of anyone who blindly accepts what they say. Pregnant ladies, please continue to be wary of having anything injected into you which may affect your baby

posts like this are ignorant though? It's every woman's decision to make but this doesn't change the fact that bodies like RCOG, who's first priority is the safety of mums and their babies, are recommending women get vaccinated due to the risks associated with COVID

"please continue to be wary of having anything injected into you which may affect your baby" is using unnecessary scaremongering language classic of anti-vaccine thinking

@thenakedmolerat

More shameless propaganda from what used to be a relatively unbiased news source. i loathe the BBC and judge the critical thinking skills of anyone who blindly accepts what they say. Pregnant ladies, please continue to be wary of having anything injected into you which may affect your baby

'shameless propaganda" is what you said.

I judge the thinking skills of anyone who dismisses a story just because they don't like the BBC that is reporting on what the Royal College of Midwifes and other professionals are saying about the dangers of covid (particularly Delta) in pregnancy. The OP is merely sharing a story. Why are the vaccine hesitant and anti vax lot and conspiracy theorists so any any facts or information from people that actually advise pregnant women/from midwifes/from obstetricians etc.

Blindly accept what professionals say as opposed to Joe down the pub that has done his research on YouTube since MSM is so this that and the other.

You chose to use the article as proof that the BBC was biased. Where do you get your news from?

MEANT TO SAY why are some people so scared of any facts/research or data that suggests vaccines are a good idea

Your post @thenakedmolerat was full of ignorance though as many people have said. The fact that you fail to see that reflects on your thinking skills.

@Notonthestairs

You chose to use the article as proof that the BBC was biased. Where do you get your news from?

She won't answer. The conspiracy theory types don't, they tend to just be negative but unlikely to share where they get their news from YouTube isn't that highly regarded.

I was pregnant recently. I wasn’t going to get jab while pregnant. But the new data came out showing how having Covid during labour substantially increases your own and babies chances of getting severely ill or dying. I also knew I’d end up staying in hospital as being induced. Both those swayed it for me. I had zero side affects whatsoever. Turns out my labour was very traumatic/ intense and if I’d been suffering from Covid honestly don’t know if we’d both have made it. Was so glad I had the jab.

Respect people's decisions.

Can completely understand people's worries.

Had covid whilst 34 weeks pregnant and gave birth to a healthy baby full term.

[quote Onehotmess]@bongbigboobingbongbing wtf I have to get a pet cat now?! 😂 seriously though why are people getting their knickers in a twist? The OP was posting her opinion based on an article (and possibly other information she has read). Do we really now have to start every MN post with ‘everyone is entitled to take this advice or not, but this is my opinion’ because to be honest, I think that’s a given![/quote]
To be clear, it's not the OP I was objecting to, it was some of the responses.

The pet cat thing is because of toxoplasmosis risk from cat litter etc etc etc. There is a risk around every corner when you're pregnant, and always some "helpful" person ready and willing to point them out to you!

@thenakedmolerat

Where do you get your news from? Not the BBC. I used to but the last 16 months or so I have reached the conclusion they are completely biased and simply parrot whatever narrative the gov. wants them to. that's my opinion. Feel free to carry on being rude and patronising though.

But you fail to explain why the reporting of advice from experts ie the RCM and Royal College of Obstetricians is biased. If you don't believe them, who do you believe exactly. Ok fine so you don't like the BBC. Which news source do you trust?

Respect people's decisions.

I dont see why we have to respect someone putting themselves at risk, even if it is their right to do so.

@Porcupineintherough

Respect people's decisions.

I dont see why we have to respect someone putting themselves at risk, even if it is their right to do so.

But then we all put ourselves at risk every day - getting into cars, planes, swimming, or taking a vaccine. Everything carries a risk, who are you to know every individuals risk vs benefit outcome? You do you, and allow the same for others.

I've posted on a few of the vaccine threads in the pregnancy forum with my experience (double jabbed with Pfizer during second trimester and very comfortable with that for me) and it's really surprised me how many posters have said their GP or midwife have put them off having the vaccine even after the official guidance first changed. Obviously some might have said that to cover their own uncertainty, human nature, but I don't believe every poster that said that wasn't being honest.

I didn't have it while RCOG said it wasn't advised but then when they said they were confident in US data and changed the advice, I went for it. Luckily for me my midwife and GP both simply repeated the official guidance and I was able to make my mind up as to what I believe was best for me.

I believe in free choice but it does worry me how many claimed to be being given advice by medical carers that was contrary to that given by the national bodies, seems a bit of a conflict of personal opinion vs the professions' stance (as I say, if it's true).

The very state of pregnancy means a woman is at a constant low level of immunosuppression and at increased risk of less favourable outcomes. As with flu.
HCP.

My problem is that whilst I 100% accept that the benefits to me outweigh the risk, no medic can reassure me or outline what the risks are for the unborn once it’s born. In fact, speaking to a paediatrician friend they actively advised against it as they won’t know the impact on the foetus until after trials in 2023. For me, I can’t take that risk for my baby. I’d rather shield. And I’m the least anti vax person you’ll meet.

I am 32 weeks and won't be having the vaccine.
Yes women have had it and delivered safely but we have no idea about the long term effects the vaccine will have on the babys mental and physical development as they grow up. This will only become clear in many many years to come as our guinea pig generation grows up.

I would like to see the stats compared side to side of Pg women who are hospitsed with covid Vs flu in previous years.

@LittleAurora

I am 32 weeks and won't be having the vaccine. Yes women have had it and delivered safely but we have no idea about the long term effects the vaccine will have on the babys mental and physical development as they grow up. This will only become clear in many many years to come as our guinea pig generation grows up.

I would like to see the stats compared side to side of Pg women who are hospitsed with covid Vs flu in previous years.

I understand what you’re saying, but just to counter a couple of points:

1. We don’t know the long term effects of having COVID whilst pregnant will have on the baby’s mental and physical development. Especially on those who were delivered early because of it

1. The flu vaccine is routinely offered in pregnancy as well

The UKOSS study the BBC is using here is interesting if you actually read it.

It says (study quotes in italics):

"Hospital admission was defined as an overnight hospital stay, or longer, for any cause, or admission of any duration to give birth. Women were taken as confirmed SARSCoV-2 if they were hospitalised during pregnancy or within two days after giving birth and had positive test during or within seven days of admission"

"Of those where the primary reason for admission was known (74.8%, n=2521), just under half (45.0%, n=1137) were admitted for COVID-19, 30.0% (n=755) for labour and birth and 25.0% (n=629) for other obstetric reasons."

So around half were admitted due to covid symptoms. The other half were admitted for labour (30%) or other obstetric reasons (20%) and also tested positive.

"... the majority of women were overweight or obese"

Table shows 60% were overweight or obese which we know increases risk of serious illness. Perhaps title should be "to all the overweight pregnant ladies - please get your jabs".

"The absence of admission in pregnant women that have been fully vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 supports the effectiveness of immunisation".

Pregnant women weren't routinely offered the vaccine until 16th April and study period is 1st March to 11th July. Only around 10% of the women admitted in each period were