Why is the Guardian reporting 131 daily deaths?

[OhamIreally]

So I'm looking at the Guardian which is reporting 131 daily deaths whilst the BBC and Daily Mail are both reporting 14!
I've noticed that the Guardian tends to report in a way that shows figures in a more negative light (such as vaccination rates across the whole population rather than across adults- fair enough) but why this massive disparity?

@Lico

Yes, UK Total Population is circa 67 million. Circa 55% of Uk total population is fully vaccinated. Needs 80 to 90 % of Total Population to be vaccinated to stop spread of disease (herd immunity)

Ireland just announced that they will start vaccinating over the age of 12 in order to reach 80% of their total population.

Is it fully vaccinated or a combo of vaccination and infection. Because let's be honest the cases are likely more than double the reported 5 million. And yes some of these will have been infected aswell as vaccinated there will be a decent percentage of people who are immune through infection and not vaccination.

I do really hope we agree to vaccinated over 12s and do it via schools. Most children over 12 could be double jabbed by october.... sooner if they used Johnson and Johnson.

@Tuba437

I do really hope we agree to vaccinated over 12s and do it via schools. Most children over 12 could be double jabbed by october.... sooner if they used Johnson and Johnson.

I hope we don't. I don't want a vaccine my child doesn't need being forced upon her just so she is allowed to go to school. What they are doing with uni students is so wrong.

What they are doing with uni students is so wrong

It’s not definite - one of the many ideas floated and discussed, many of which don’t happen.

I don't think they should force vaccines on anyone.

A choice would be good.

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
All the data here even where you live , I honestly wouldn’t bother with headlines .

Tuba: this is an interesting one- I was wondering this myself whether it is fully vaccinated of the Total Population or combo of fully vaccinated and previously infected?

Only Pfizer has been approved for children- Moderna to follow I guess. Johnson Johnson has not been approved for children because it uses the same technology as Astra.

Imno: thanks but the Uk Gov website only states percentage of Adults vaccinated not the percentage of the Total Population (67 million +). I am too lazy to calculate ..

I am interested in the herd immunity for all countries. Herd immunity will slow/stop the spread of this virus.
Ireland believes that you need 80% of Total Population (not adults only) vaccinated to achieve herd immunity.

The 7 day drop in infections, anyone else think this is linked to schools breaking up in England & Wales. If young people are largely symptom free/showing symptoms outside of the standard ones due to Delta and are no longer doing regular LFDs because they are not at school then isn’t that why the rate is dropping? Or has that been factored in?

@Enterthewolves

The 7 day drop in infections, anyone else think this is linked to schools breaking up in England & Wales. If young people are largely symptom free/showing symptoms outside of the standard ones due to Delta and are no longer doing regular LFDs because they are not at school then isn’t that why the rate is dropping? Or has that been factored in?

I think its a factor. However as its a continuous decline I think it shows that there must be an actual decline in cases. Otherwise if it was just due to lack of Ltf tests then cases would have just gone down to a certain amount and stayed around that number or steadily increased. Yet its still declining. I think the next few days of data will be interesting if cases continue to decline and test numbers stay similar to what they have been this last week.

@SophieGiroux I I meant for the choice to be given to parents pupils to be vaccinated. I don't agree with forced vaccination either.

If hospital admissions decline together with the daily cases, then we will be able to rejoice .. for a while until more get vaccinated.
Yes, it would be great to have a choice.
However, I believe in compulsory vaccination for health professionals who have daily contact with the public.

@Enterthewolves

The 7 day drop in infections, anyone else think this is linked to schools breaking up in England & Wales. If young people are largely symptom free/showing symptoms outside of the standard ones due to Delta and are no longer doing regular LFDs because they are not at school then isn’t that why the rate is dropping? Or has that been factored in?

A lot of schools only broke up on Friday.

@OhamIreally 14.3% of all pupils in state-funded schools were absent from class on 15 July - a total of 1.05 million - due to Covid and I think it was an even higher proportion of children off the following week due to isolations (including one of my DC) plus a lot of parents had pulled children out of school early so that holiday plans wouldn't get ruined.

Regular testing for schools was contributing to a lot of cases being picked up & it was passing through school communities. It would be interesting to see the breakdown of positive cases by age for the last 4 weeks.

@Tuba437 and @SophieGiroux you see I think they should respect parents' choice on vaccinations first off.

[quote herecomesthsun]**@Tuba437* and @SophieGiroux* you see I think they should respect parents' choice on vaccinations first off.[/quote]
You would hope they would respect parents choices but the way adults are being coerced to have the jabs, I don't hold out much hope

Needs 80 to 90 % of Total Population to be vaccinated to stop spread of disease

No. 80 to 90 % need some immunity. It doesn't need to be via vaccination. It can be through natural immunity in some other way we perhaps don't understand and immunity from previous infection.

The % of the population estimated to now have antibodies is into the herd immunity range now in the uk.

Not sure which other countries are into this range.

Yes, I guess that other countries are in the same range. Some countries regularly publish the number of people who have been infected. The only issue, correct me if wrong, is that we don’t know for how long natural immunity last. Also does it differ between individuals?