The UK may have got it right

[VioletRiemelt]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-57911032

Australians back in lockdown, while our restrictions are gone. Our exit wave could be over by September.

@OhYouBadBadKitten

With the greatest respect - this is a dumb thread. Comparing two countries then when everyone starts with the comparisons the response is 'oh no, you can't compare that aspect'. Either compare or don't compare.

And now the word compare looks stupid too.

Yes!

@VioletRiemelt

Boris is that you hun?

@NannyAndJohn

You're happy with 150000 (and rising) dead and millions (and rising) scarred by Long Covid, are you?

Don't be so patronising. Are you happy with millions of mentally ill, ruined businesses, suicides, ruined education, etc?

[quote Thewiseoneincognito]@VioletRiemelt

Boris is that you hun?[/quote]
Grow up.

Are you happy with millions of mentally ill, ruined businesses, suicides, ruined education, etc

Education continued remotely and is there any evidence of millions now being mentally ill since covid?

People ‘bang on’ about vaccine resistant variants are a very real threat - especially with the path the UK is taking.

About 50% of the UK population is vaccinated. Freely mixing vaccinated and unvaccinated is asking for trouble. Javid getting COVID after being double vaccinated shows the start of a process which could end in vaccine resistance.

The problem with variants is you can’t control which way it goes. Actually a less deadly variant, but with higher transmission rates actually causes more deaths.

I can’t figure out if you are a troll or just spectacularly ill-informed.

Well ruined education is a good example.

Aus didn’t have to lose schools for anything like as long as we did. Spain has kept theirs open all year despite numbers not too dissimilar to ours. France only had a few weeks.

We will just wait and see. Just don’t know what is gonna happen. Will there be more variants etc .

@VioletRiemelt

Given how many of us are crammed into our tiny island, our rates were always going to be high, along with an NHS on its knees.....

This is SO Daily Mail and so inaccurate.

Education continued remotely

It did indeed but it really is not the same as FtoF.

My kids school was one of the best ones. My Y1 child has missed a large chuck of his in school time. He is not where he would of been if he had been on school full time.

It's disingenuous to suggest that education carried on as normal.

@FFSFFSFFS

I suspect that's misleading re the population density though *@JellyBabiesFan*? Is that just a basic division of population by land mass? The reality is that most of Australian is not/sparsely inhabitiated and the large majority of the population leave in urban areas

People always use the UK when trying to prove points about population density. Someone posted on another thread that London (Most densely populated UK city obvs) comes in at about n49 in Europe.

Population density of Australia 3 per km2. Population density of UK 281 per km2

I'm not stupid

The main population areas areas of Australia are just as heavily populated as parts of the UK with super hi infections/deaths.
Both Aus and NZ will have vaccinated 90% of their peoples by the end of the year, thats their exit plan.

Why do people bang on about variants. We want it to mutate to a less serious disease

I don't think you have any say in that.

My very large local hospital stopped recording the numbers in icu with covid because the numbers were very low. They’ve started again and apparently have 27 in.

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

Are you happy with millions of mentally ill, ruined businesses, suicides, ruined education, etc

Education continued remotely and is there any evidence of millions now being mentally ill since covid?

Quite right. Kids education hasn't been affected in the slightest and no one is mentally ill.

Fucking hell some people.

Whilst every suicide is a tragedy, the comment about being happy with suicide suggests a significant Covid19 related increase. That’s not true either and more anti-lockdown propaganda.

Provisional data show there were 10.7 suicide deaths per 100,000 people in Quarter 3 (July to Sept) 2020 in England, equivalent to 1,334 deaths registered; this rate is similar to rates seen in the third quarter of previous years.

In the provisional Quarter 3 2020 data, there were 16.3 deaths per 100,000 males (992 deaths registered) and 5.4 suicide deaths per 100,000 females (342 deaths registered); these rates are similar to rates observed in the same quarter in previous years.

Don't be so patronising. Are you happy with millions of mentally ill, ruined businesses, suicides, ruined education, etc?
Absolutely this!

@spookycookies

And talk about population density is pointless. Their city's are just as populated as ours but they also have large areas of the country which is uninhabitable.

This. The old 'but population density' is trotted out every damn time anyone tries to state that Aussie might have done better.

Where TF do you think Australians live? Scattered out at exactly 3 people per KM across the northern territories surrounded by scrubland?

They live in cities, in flats, many many flatshares due to the crazy house prices. They commute on trains, buses and ferries. In fact. Sydney has higher population density than London. By a mile:

"The Australian Bureau of Statisticss_ has found Sydney is booming, with two-thirds of NSW's population now living in the city. It has the highest density in Australia with 8800 people per sq km in Sydney's east and 7900 in Sydney City's west.
By comparison, Mexico Cityy has 8400/sq km, Londonn 5100/sq km, Pariss 3550/sq/km and Los Angeless 2750/km.

Don't be so patronising. Are you happy with millions of mentally ill, ruined businesses, suicides, ruined education, etc

MH rates haven't gone up significantly, neither have suicides, education has been fucked but how come exams and F2F learning has continued in Germany, with lower death rates and economic hit too?

We have such over crowded schools in poorly built buildings and had zero mitigation for kids.

No country has "got it right". I live in Spain and our death rates have been bad but we've managed to keep 97% of classes open all year in my region. My kids have not missed a single day for Covid closures this school year and that is the case for almost all the country.
After a slow start our vaccines rates are now some of the best in Europe now too.
But there were mistakes made too and there will be more before it's all over.
Having said that, I think to go against so much scientific advice about dropping all restrictions is madness.

@OrangeBlossomsinthesun

No country has "got it right". I live in Spain and our death rates have been bad but we've managed to keep 97% of classes open all year in my region. My kids have not missed a single day for Covid closures this school year and that is the case for almost all the country. After a slow start our vaccines rates are now some of the best in Europe now too. But there were mistakes made too and there will be more before it's all over. Having said that, I think to go against so much scientific advice about dropping all restrictions is madness.

Just messaged some friends of ours in France, to be absolutley sure i was correct. their kids have missed no F2F at Uni, they did have a period where they couldn't go home but lectures continued as normal.

Compare that to British students?

Why aren't parents and students demanding to know why? instead of blowing smoke up that fat oafs arse.

@InkKeepsRunning

People ‘bang on’ about vaccine resistant variants are a very real threat - especially with the path the UK is taking.

About 50% of the UK population is vaccinated. Freely mixing vaccinated and unvaccinated is asking for trouble. Javid getting COVID after being double vaccinated shows the start of a process which could end in vaccine resistance.

The problem with variants is you can’t control which way it goes. Actually a less deadly variant, but with higher transmission rates actually causes more deaths.

I can’t figure out if you are a troll or just spectacularly ill-informed.

All of this.

Schools
My kids missed around
Last school year 3/6
This year 1/6 (plus 2w)
So 4/6 minimum.
And while in missed
Any shows
Nativities
Reading with an adult at all
50% if dc primary swimming lessons...
Weve also missed 18m of out of school swimming lessons (as dont want to return with high cases)
Going to sports day
Last week of term

Oh and freedom day so free when im trapped at home with (exposed as no masks dc) children with covid in class.

Cases so high cant have CEV parents with us on holiday.

Covid won't go away, lockdowns just kick the can down the road. WHEN will people realise Covid is here to stay, for the rest of our lives? We have vaccines now. People have been working in busy places throughout the last 16 months (serving us all) and not caught the virus. Meanwhile, over cautious people have caught it. For all the mitigation measures in the world (and let's be honest the majority are a tick box), if you're going to catch it, you will.

@VioletRiemelt

Given how many of us are crammed into our tiny island, our rates were always going to be high, along with an NHS on its knees.....

Lots of countries with higher population density than us have done better though - Bangladesh for instance has 4 x our density and is much poorer but has had far fewer deaths.

I think government decision making is a much bigger factor here than the state of the NHS. The lack of response to what was happening in Italy is so shocking, looking back. Our PM was sorting out his divorce and twatting on about how we could do loads of trade deals while other countries were busy "panicking" about the pandemic.
And it went downhill from there unfortunately.

Speaking as someone whose son was sitting A-levels this year, I have only utter contempt for the way our government has handled education under Covid.