We just need to move on…

[Moonme]

Anyone else infuriated by people saying this. It’s like, yes of course we all want to move on but we have a novel virus circulating in high numbers. Are people really so naive to think if we wish it away it’ll be gone?!

it’s time to do the same with the economy.

A conversation like this would also need to table the enormous impact on public services as a result. This hasn’t been spelt out yet, but I suspect there will be serious shocks when it is.

FWIW I'm entirely confident that conversation's are happening, and have been for a while - it's just that folk might not like what's being discussed when the details start to leak out

True.

Thinking we should be taking very restrictive measures until deaths are eliminated

We could have locked down every winter to eliminate the flu virus and save thousands of lives, but we didn’t. Why do people who want to see deaths eliminated not care about people dying from the flu? Why is it only Covid deaths that concern them?

The incredulity once restrictions are reintroduced will be off the charts.

Freedom Day, aka The Purge

Delta got to Aus fgs. Stopping it wasn’t going to be an option.

MaxNormal I'm assuming you're from South Africa? What's happening over there is horrific. I hope anyone you know there is safe.

Why do people who want to see deaths eliminated not care about people dying from the flu? Why is it only Covid deaths that concern them?

Because people broadly accept the status quo but struggle with the new.

A poster the other day said she didn’t want people to die from something ‘preventable’ like covid. But we need to accept that covid isn’t preventable any more than flu or cancer or heart disease. The fact that it didn’t exist three years ago is neither here nor there.

@TheKeatingFive

As far as i'm concerned, we should have carried on with the pre july 19th restrictions because we will be back in far harsher restrictions very soon.

And think of lifting them when?

Because the modelling suggests that no better window would present itself until quarter 2 2022. Assuming of course we don’t have variant x disrupting plans again at that stage. That’s entire industries unable to open for two years (best case) and in many cases consigned to the waste heap. We need to be clear about that.

That takes years, even if it were to start right now.

I should have been started March 2020. But it is absolute criminal that national conversations m about it’s long term future aren’t happening right now.

Don't see how any industry is saved by opening up for a few weeks and then having harsher restrictions than we have now in 2 or 3 months time?

Whether we like it or not, lifting of all restrictions won't happen until we have better vaccines.

Yes totally agree on the NHS, needs x party planning but unfortunately, we have to diametrically opposed pov's from the two main parties.

@Tuba437

To the people that say we're the laughing stock of the world. That is complete crap. The rest of the world doesn't care what we do and concentrate on their own issues

I absolutely agree. The arrogance of the British to think that anyone is watching us at all or cares.

As if no one has anything to worry them, parenting, work, illness, political issues in their own country...nope fuck that let's all watch Britain.

Why the hell do the British think they matter to everyone that much.

@nonono1

Thinking we should be taking very restrictive measures until deaths are eliminated

We could have locked down every winter to eliminate the flu virus and save thousands of lives, but we didn’t. Why do people who want to see deaths eliminated not care about people dying from the flu? Why is it only Covid deaths that concern them?

CV is on top of influenza, not instead and no one has any natural immunity.

Its also not a seasonal illness, vaccines aren't stopping infection & its vascular, so can affect the whole body more than a respiratory virus.

But we don't have to take very restrictive measures, we do need some though but having none/voluntary is stupid.

Don't see how any industry is saved by opening up for a few weeks and then having harsher restrictions than we have now in 2 or 3 months time?

The modelling didn’t indicate that was a given, but even so, a few months now could make all the difference.

Whether we like it or not, lifting of all restrictions won't happen until we have better vaccines.

Which will be when? Certain types of activity will just move underground. It’s happening already. The government won’t be keen on that as they’ll lose out on the revenue.

@BarefootHippieChick thank you. My family are in an unaffected area fortunately. Some friends had families in affected areas which was very worrying but things are calmer now just battling to get goods.

A conversation like this would also need to table the enormous impact on public services as a result. This hasn’t been spelt out yet, but I suspect there will be serious shocks when it is

I agree but it does need to happen. We can’t expect Industries to be paused for almost two years and just be able to pick up where they left off. No matter what happens with covid itself now the shockwaves will be felt for years and the reality of that needs to be accepted. It’s a done deal whether we’re talking about it or not.

I’ve been listening to the radio this morning and hearing a lot more from business owners facing the reality of operating in an environment of high case numbers. Those who haven’t already adapted are struggling and sadly I think we’ve barely started.

If only they had thought of this in WW2. Wish away the bombs and the war is over! Shame they didn’t come up with this strategy earlier, the Blitz could have been done and dusted by 1941.

MaxNormal that's good and must be some comfort at least.

@SilverOak

If only they had thought of this in WW2. Wish away the bombs and the war is over! Shame they didn’t come up with this strategy earlier, the Blitz could have been done and dusted by 1941.

Aside from the fact that comparisons with WW2 are pointless, the Blitz ended in May 1941

We need to improve our healthcare system fast and sustainbly. I know this isnt a quick fix but hospitals were often struggling in winter anyway and covid isnt going away. We need a system that manages in a flu + norovirus + covid winter.

I dont know how we can train people and improve working conditions so they stay and modernise buildings for new equipment but it must be possible over the next 5 -10 years.