Endangering the World?

[sadperson16]

Really, no wonder people have MH issues with nonsense lik ethis about.

The US is more open than us with lower vaccination levels. Why does no one call out Joe Biden?

US differs from state to state with different legislative powers and different measures. Biden's got no jurisdiction on whether they wear masks in Florida or Texas, or open nightclubs.

@QueenStromba

The issue is that we're doing exactly what a scientist would do in the lab if they wanted to create a vaccine resistant strain. High numbers of cases plus a large number of people with partial immunity is a recipe for disaster.

Yes. 50% of the population vaccinated plus a high infection rate creates the maximum chance of a vaccine resistant variant. It is highly irresponsible.

So vaccinating our population is wrong? Would we be a nicer, kinder country if we had been more like other places and not vaccinated as much?

Why has not the Netherlands endangered the world? Or, indeed, as pp mentioned, Florida?

@Wanttocry

Genuine question, how does it differ from, say, Florida, which I believe has just banned local authorities from implementing covid measures and is seeing a big rise in cases. To be clear, I am not saying that because Florida has no restrictions, we don’t have to either. My question is more about why this language isn’t also directed at somewhere like Florida. I’ve seen no global “watching in horror” of Florida with its 55% first vaccine rate and rising cases (and hospitalisations) of the delta variant. Is it just that people don’t know the situation there, and the situation in UK is more widely reported? Therefore generates more concern? I’m sure there is a reason for the difference, I just don’t know what it is.

From speaking to an American who lives in Florida the other day, they were telling me no one in Florida is even talking about Covid anymore. They have no idea what the rates are like.

People are just going about their daily lives as normal, occasionally you may see a mask. However as far as they, and everyone they know is concerned the pandemic is over.

So, that might be why? I don’t know.

@Wanttocry

Genuine question, how does it differ from, say, Florida, which I believe has just banned local authorities from implementing covid measures and is seeing a big rise in cases. To be clear, I am not saying that because Florida has no restrictions, we don’t have to either. My question is more about why this language isn’t also directed at somewhere like Florida. I’ve seen no global “watching in horror” of Florida with its 55% first vaccine rate and rising cases (and hospitalisations) of the delta variant. Is it just that people don’t know the situation there, and the situation in UK is more widely reported? Therefore generates more concern? I’m sure there is a reason for the difference, I just don’t know what it is.

Nobody wants to talk about Florida because they are having a lot of success with their approach and it goes against what most mainstream politicians are suggesting. For example they've been much more successful than California has been which has a similar population density but has been much more restrictive... but Florida is run by a conservative politician who is one of the frontrunners for next presidential election so they left wing media doesn't want to talk about Florida because you can't talk about them without making their governor look good, he's the most successful politician in the USA right now and he's on the wrong side (according to current media)

No we should not be opening up until more are vaccinated. The Netherlands backtracked on their opening up within days and apologised.

Florida has the same issue as us with populist politics overriding sensible decision making.

Florida is the best run state in the USA right now. They have a large influx of people escaping other states to move there. It's not populism, it's good leadership.

It is really odd to be criticising one of the very few countries in the world that has not only invented one of the few vaccines that actually work, plus have procured an excellent selection of vaccines for their population and thirdly, are rolling it out at speed.
Scientists should be spending more time criticising many many other countries for their lack of investment in R&D to enable their ability to create a vaccine, and their slowness in then procuring vaccines and rolling them out to their people. Where’s the 1200 signed letter about this?
IMO, This lack of preparedness in many countries is actually more of an issue that “endangers the world”
All countries should be looking at whether they can create , manufacture vaccines at speed for future pandemics. Imagine if every country over a certain size had the capability to do this in the future.
That would be an amazing legacy of COVID-19.
I’d sign that letter.

On the Florida theme: I am also interested to see if UK cases will FALL with mandatory mask wearing removed. It might seem counterintuitive but cases rose in almost every jurisdiction immediately after they were mandated. My explanation is that people's behaviour differs when they wear masks.

@DottyHarmer

So vaccinating our population is wrong? Would we be a nicer, kinder country if we had been more like other places and not vaccinated as much?

Why has not the Netherlands endangered the world? Or, indeed, as pp mentioned, Florida?

The Netherlands reintroduced restrictions when their case rated shot up, we're dropping them.

@Shelddd

Florida is the best run state in the USA right now. They have a large influx of people escaping other states to move there. It's not populism, it's good leadership.

Because Democrats run cities into the ground.

So nealry 55 new cases today.

@User135644

I don't know that I'd blame everyone left of center.. ( i am a liberal myself and tend to vote left )... Plenty of bad conservative politicians too, but Florida is doing amazing under amazing leadership, absolutely no denying that.

Exactly - the Netherlands reintroduced restrictions, so by your logic they were endangering the world then.

@StepladderToHeaven

What's the evidence that we have let it escalate more than many other countries have? Our number of cases per million population puts us at 39th in the world. And we're doing more testing than lots of other countries so it's probably lower in reality.

As of today, we are producing the most new cases per day, and rather than taking extra precautions we are getting rid of the few precautions we already have in place. That's the evidence.

1 in 5 US covid cases are currently in Florida. In the US there is a strong correlation between populism, republican voting and anti vaccination.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/cdc-vaccines-covid-pandemic-us-b1885538.html?amp

It is really odd to be criticising one of the very few countries in the world that has not only invented one of the few vaccines that actually work, plus have procured an excellent selection of vaccines for their population and thirdly, are rolling it out at speed.

When that country is busy putting in place measures which increase substantially the chances of developing new variants that may resist the vaccine, it's not in the least odd.

And there was me thinking that we invented one of the first vaccines; and millions of our citizens had their jabs before many other countries even decided to get going with it.

Florida, so what is their approach? Just ignore covid 🤣

he's the most successful politician in the USA right now and he's on the wrong side

Hang on, Biden became president only 7 months ago, with a massive amount of votes. How can any US politician be more successful than that right now?

I am interested in the fact that people are saying that we are testing more than any other country. Is this really true?

Are other countries not testing as much as we are? Do other countries not encourage asymptomatic testing? How easy is it to get a test in other countries?

It is the UK government that is being criticised not the UK's scientists and inventors.

@DottyHarmer

Exactly - the Netherlands reintroduced restrictions, so by your logic they were endangering the world then.

They had very low case rates when they dropped restrictions, there was a possibility that it would have been ok. We already have high and rapidly increasing case rates and have already seen what happened in the Netherlands, we have no excuse.

@Fivetoomany

So are we saying that because India did it, then it's ok for us to do it to. I thought this was mumsnet not kidsnet

Lol. Whataboutary is a MN staple when England's flaws are highlighted.

@Lemonmelonsun

Florida, so what is their approach? Just ignore covid 🤣

That's a strategy that looks like it's working well (to someone who doesn't understand exponential growth) right up until it's a complete disaster.