Isolating from school... or not

[JemimaMoon]

Both dcs sent home as close contacts this week. Seems like a whole load of the kids from their year groups have taken it as a holiday and are out and about with their mates. It's all a bit of a joke really.

@LazyViper

Cheers to everyone who can’t be arsed to follow the medical requirements. If my mother’s cancer surgery is delayed because of people like you spreading it to her or the hospital staff, we’ll know who to ‘thank’.

But irrelevant unless your mum or her medical staff are hanging around with groups of teenagers in their free time. Hope the surgery goes well though!

@0None0 oh what sort of capacity are kids speaking to you about this? A professional one?

Those conversations seem incredibly bizarre and exaggerated.

If my child gets sent home to isolate then yes we will stick to the rules. However, I don’t blame people who don’t.

I think it’s madness that so many healthy people are stuck sitting at home.

The whole country is at risk at grinding to a haunt, and for what?

I can’t even gauge how serious all this is anymore because there is just so much bull being sprouted by both sides of the argument.

I am just fed up. You can’t trust anything anyone says because no one is capable of being impartial and factual.

[quote iloveredpandas]@0None0 oh what sort of capacity are kids speaking to you about this? A professional one?

Those conversations seem incredibly bizarre and exaggerated.[/quote]
In the context of planning for moving away from home, attending university and finances

So in a professional capacity then?

I wonder if they know that you are sharing their very personal problems on an Internet forum whilst also referring to them as 'young and stupid'

@LazyViper
Cheers to everyone who can’t be arsed to follow the medical requirements. If my mother’s cancer surgery is delayed because of people like you spreading it to her or the hospital staff, we’ll know who to ‘thank’

A requirement to self-isolate as a close contact 7 weeks after actually having covid (positive PCR, confirmed as delta by PHE) has no medical basis. It’s a legal requirement (crazy, but true) but definitely cannot be classed as a medical requirement however you try and spin it.

@Dddccc

Completely agree with u op I am sick to death of people ignoring the rules and even after a year ppl cant seem to wear a mask correctly, my ds is isolating due to a school case and the parent had sent the child in when she was positive and risked 30 other house holds

There should be fines for that.

If parents risked fines for sending in symptomatic, waiting for tests or positive kids they were much less likely to do so

Yep my kids on their 8th period of isolation now.

It’s an extended holiday for them. They’re out and about.

Poor kids. I wouldn’t be keeping a healthy child inside for multiple periods of 10 days. That’s very unhealthy.

I’d avoid indoors but they’d be out getting fresh air. It’s madness that we are complicit in doing this to our children. Whilst men get to jump on each other and sing and hug watching a game of football..

O yeah? And how is it ‘best’ for your DS to make him complicit in spreading a deadly virus and possibly being complicit in causing a new wave, a variation or the death of someone he knows

Wait till the rules relax there will be no bubbles and no children sent home, even those with positive cases at home will be free to go about their business
Business will have to take their own precautions and issue their own guideline.

I for one will shop at responsible outlets that insist on hand sanitizer social distance and mask wearing to protect their own staff and customer safety.

Some business here don’t care about their staff.

In school close contacts haven’t been traced, there a business as usual attitude to assemblies, no lateral flow tests for children or staff, for some reasons classes are full a week to go!

I do think the isolations should have been considered for at least a few months that anyone who already tested positive within x months didnt have to isolate. And even in sept that would be the best course for kids rather than what they are doing.
And of course vaccinating those that want.

@iloveredpandas

So in a professional capacity then?

I wonder if they know that you are sharing their very personal problems on an Internet forum whilst also referring to them as 'young and stupid'

They refer to themselves as ‘young and stupid’ and it is a big enough class of people for it not to be divulging personal information

A lot of young people from families who have allowed them to break rules.

And that number will increase hugely in the next 5-10 years as the implications of their behaviour sinks in

In no way what do ever could it ever be construed as ‘doing what’s best for us’ to allow children to become complicit in the spread of a pandemic when they are too young to judge for themselves how the guilt is going to sit with them for the next 70 years

We have followed the rules with DC's isolation periods. I can understand to a point why people aren't following it- but I do think it's responsible to be careful still. There's a big difference in risk between taking them out for a walk, and sending them for a sleepover at a mates house.

The BBC ran an article a couple of weeks ago. 641,000 children isolated and only 28,000 of those were positive. So not even 10% of the kids forced into unnecessary isolations caught covid. (I'm not good enough at maths to work out what that percentage is 🙈)

This is why people are fed up and dont isolate. It's not being complicit in anything. Its realising life has to move on.

At the end of the day, I survived 40 years not feeling like the survival of all my fellow human beings was my responsibility to burden myself with, and I wont start now and I dont expect my children to do this either.

But irrelevant unless your mum or her medical staff are hanging around with groups of teenagers in their free time.

Because medical staff never have teenage children, or teenage patients? 🤦

Do people saying they won’t bother to isolate their kids actually understand how the chain of transmission works? Their kids might pass it to someone who isn’t vulnerable, but somewhere down the transmission line it reaches someone who is. The overall number of people who catch it is increased.

The BBC ran an article a couple of weeks ago. 641,000 children isolated and only 28,000 of those were positive

How many of the 641000 have already had covid? It’s a good point to raise.

@SpnBaby1967

The BBC ran an article a couple of weeks ago. 641,000 children isolated and only 28,000 of those were positive. So not even 10% of the kids forced into unnecessary isolations caught covid. (I'm not good enough at maths to work out what that percentage is 🙈)

This is why people are fed up and dont isolate. It's not being complicit in anything. Its realising life has to move on.

At the end of the day, I survived 40 years not feeling like the survival of all my fellow human beings was my responsibility to burden myself with, and I wont start now and I dont expect my children to do this either.

But at the end of the day your children are in a pandemic situation, and you were not for most of that 40 years, and your children will grow up and have more understanding of the situation than they do now. ( and probably more than you appear to now)

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@0None0 yeah yeah. Heard it all already. I'm past caring. Close contact isolation is stopping in August so people will have to deal with it.[/quote]
This.

Hypothetical because none of my dc are isolating at the minute, however if they were I'd LFT them every day and let them carry on with life (without attending school) if its good enough for Gove it's good enough for my dc. What's the point having all these tests at our disposal and not using them to keep life going? Isolating dc for 10 days at a time especially multiple times should never ever be considered acceptable and its those dc who are banished to their rooms for 10days as reported on other threads that should be despising their parents

@BluebellsGreenbells

The BBC ran an article a couple of weeks ago. 641,000 children isolated and only 28,000 of those were positive

How many of the 641000 have already had covid? It’s a good point to raise.

And what percent if the children who were positive developed it in isolation, and did not pass it on, abs how far did that bring down the R number, and how many people were saved from death or disability?

But at the end of the day your children are in a pandemic situation, and you were not for most of that 40 years, and your children will grow up and have more understanding of the situation than they do now. ( and probably more than you appear to now)

I survived the swine flu pandemic despite catching it whilst heavily pregnant 🤷🏻‍♀️

And what percent if the children who were positive developed it in isolation, and did not pass it on, abs how far did that bring down the R number, and how many people were saved from death or disability?

Thank you, you've demonstrated my point perfectly there. Despite all these nonsense bubble popping isolations we STILL dont know the answers to those questions so how can we continue to promote these restrictions with no proof thay the effect on childrens lives is outweighed by the risks associated to them by covid..

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@0None0 yeah yeah. Heard it all already. I'm past caring. Close contact isolation is stopping in August so people will have to deal with it.[/quote]
There is a world of difference between that at taking in upon yourself to allow children to be breaking the rules when the rules are still in place.

And do you seriously think August will be a permanent end to it?

You only have to read this thread to see why it won’t be, abs why we won’t be on top of it by then, and why it will be returning with a vengeance

If the government truly gave a rats arse about the infection rates ( and I include the SG in this) then they wouldn't have allowed the Wembley final and the general relaxation of all rules for football to take place. Thousands of people squeezed together outside in every town centre to watch the game, but yet our DCs are not even meant to play outside with their friends because someone in the room had covid.

It's disproportionate and it has ruined DCs lives and education for long enough. Yes we may well end up in hard lockdown again - deep joy - but I don't blame people for letting their DCs get a bit of normality while they can. Personal responsibility is fine as far as it goes, but right now my personal responsibility also includes ensuring my DS sees his friends and gets some semblance of a teenage life.