Schools from September

[DinosaurDiana]

I was working in a school yesterday and the lady helping me said that all staff are in next Monday Tuesday to put the school back to normal.
All stickers are being removed, all classrooms and rooms put back to the way they were pre Covid.
So are all schools going back to normal ?

@cantkeepawayforever

Well they have been offered the vaccine though haven't they. What more can you ask

No, children have not been offered the vaccine.

At the moment, the majority of my colleagues are still in the 'had one jab, so unprotected against delta' group.

Surely the vast majority will be double jabbed by September though? I'm 30 and have my second in mid August, so 20s should only be a couple of weeks behind.

But we are not jabbing all secondary pupils. As we have seen with Sajid Javid you can still get mild covid even if double jabbed.

I will still keep windows opens but that is not just for covid reasons as those who teach will understand

"Surely the vast majority will be double jabbed by September though? I'm 30 and have my second in mid August, so 20s should only be a couple of weeks behind."

If they were offered end of Aug, they are still not fully protected beginning of Sept since it takes few weeks for vaccine to work?

@cantkeepawayforever yes that's the scenario at ours too. Permanent Covid coordinator on staff and of course contingency plans. But if we're still in stage 4 (or whatever tomorrow's called) by September, then all back to pre Covid normality. I must add it's a private school with a lot of space and we've had no cases at all this year, so it's not comparable to many other schools.

Schools would be bonkers to set everything up as normal for September. We're possibly going to be peaking third wave and a proper shit show.
Bubbles will back.
I don't envy the headteachers having to second guess the government.

I really hope so... seeing all those people crammed in at the football and tennis in the last few weeks. Why should our children be denied a full school experience?

It's because of those events that so many kids are "being denied" the full experience of the last week of term.
I'm double jabbed and am currently isolating due to positive cases in my class.
Expect more of this in September.

@1starwars2

Schools would be bonkers to set everything up as normal for September. We're possibly going to be peaking third wave and a proper shit show. Bubbles will back. I don't envy the headteachers having to second guess the government.

I think heads have stopped bothering, and know full well they will be scrambling to implement whatever the government suggests in late August / start of September. Almost all are many times bitten by Government changes of policy at the 11th hour, so very few do any advance guessing in terms of action any more - they just have multiple plans at the ready.

Well since all the SD goes tomorrow, no face masks required and back to pre covid in many ways then schools will be too. Schools are not different.

We have had claims of teachers being thrown under the bus, slaughtered, dropping like flies and yet they are still here still moaning. As far as a group go I have never come across any other professional group that moan as much. Lots of people have suffered but the teachers obviously always have it worse

Well done the other keyworker groups that just do their jobs, in difficult times. Perhaps it's just mn teachers though the 2 I know in real life are not like the ones on here.

@TheTallOakTrees

Well since all the SD goes tomorrow, no face masks required and back to pre covid in many ways then schools will be too. Schools are not different.

We have had claims of teachers being thrown under the bus, slaughtered, dropping like flies and yet they are still here still moaning. As far as a group go I have never come across any other professional group that moan as much. Lots of people have suffered but the teachers obviously always have it worse

Well done the other keyworker groups that just do their jobs, in difficult times. Perhaps it's just mn teachers though the 2 I know in real life are not like the ones on here.

Teachers will next be in school in September - whether the rules are the same then remains to be seen. It seems very foolish to assume that they will be!

Do you work out of the home, in close contact with between tens and hundreds of unvaccinated, unmasked people per day, in poorly ventilated rooms with no social distancing at all? If not, then i am afraid that i will take your comment about moaning with the pinch of salt it deserves

@TheTallOakTrees

Well since all the SD goes tomorrow, no face masks required and back to pre covid in many ways then schools will be too. Schools are not different.

We have had claims of teachers being thrown under the bus, slaughtered, dropping like flies and yet they are still here still moaning. As far as a group go I have never come across any other professional group that moan as much. Lots of people have suffered but the teachers obviously always have it worse

Well done the other keyworker groups that just do their jobs, in difficult times. Perhaps it's just mn teachers though the 2 I know in real life are not like the ones on here.

I don't think the unions help the teachers reputation! My daughters school the teachers have been awesome! But on social media the loudest ones are certainly a bit wingey. But I imagine many are just cracking on with it.

As a nurse in A&E I just get told yes but you have PPE by teachers and patients wear masks. Well if you consider a flimsy surgical mask good PPE when you are surrounded by patients with Covid all on oxygen ( therefore no mask) in a totally unventilated department as well as many people refusing to wear masks which thanks to Boris

VaccineSticker
Have schools not learnt anything from the last 18 months? The irony of calling themselves schools.

You mean things like
sanitising on the way in to classrooms was beneficial?
Masks prevented other viruses from spreading?
Having all children line up outside classrooms at the same time is not a good idea when thinking about illness?
Whole school and whole year group assemblies could be done via teams reducing major contagion points?

Or were you thinking of something else?

Finished too soon...

Thanks to Boris, despite hospitals implementing a mask policy, it will be next to nigh impossible to enforce seeing as its no longer a legal requirement!!! total idiot.

TheTallOakTrees

Well done the other keyworker groups that just do their jobs, in difficult times. Perhaps it's just mn teachers though the 2 I know in real life are not like the ones on here.

Do you mean the nurses that threatened to strike unless PPE was provided?
Or the transport workers that threatened to strike due to the deaths of their co-workers?
Or the factory workers that threatened to strike dur to lack of PPE?

But then some posters on here make it seem like arguing for the same mitigations as other keyworkers is a bad thing.

@cantkeepawayforever I'll be in school tomorrow. We don't break up until Friday. Only had 421 students and 21 staff isolating last week. What could possibly go wrong this week ! Into those lovely hot, unventilated rooms I go again - which now mostly have less students in so I can keep a few feet away.
I'll teach in person and on line at the same time (it's soooo easy), I'll have every lesson disrupted as more students are removed due to more positive cases.
Teaching is such fun at the moment I can't understand why 42 of my colleagues are leaving this week.

@FrippEnos

TheTallOakTrees

Well done the other keyworker groups that just do their jobs, in difficult times. Perhaps it's just mn teachers though the 2 I know in real life are not like the ones on here.

Do you mean the nurses that threatened to strike unless PPE was provided?
Or the transport workers that threatened to strike due to the deaths of their co-workers?
Or the factory workers that threatened to strike dur to lack of PPE?

But then some posters on here make it seem like arguing for the same mitigations as other keyworkers is a bad thing.

I work in a factory and we've never had PPE, there was never any talk of striking at my place.

Waxonwaxoff0

I work in a factory and we've never had PPE, there was never any talk of striking at my place.

Good for you.
So it must be the same in all factories?

@FrippEnos

Waxonwaxoff0

I work in a factory and we've never had PPE, there was never any talk of striking at my place.

Good for you.
So it must be the same in all factories?

No, just saying it's not my experience. I certainly couldn't afford to strike, we don't exactly get paid a lot.

Maybe back to 'normal' in gov, terms. It will be a long time before COVID allows normality tho.

Just because stickers are removed, bubbles taken out it doesn't mean kids are going to be back to a normal education.

Autumn will see the virus passed round and round. Kids will be in, off, in and off again. Staff the same. Given that this virus reinfects, the Autumn term will be more disrupted than any term so far.

These last couple of weeks show that. From the thirty schools I work with, only two have had no positive cases - and that is with measures in place.

Waxonwaxoff0

But not all experiences are the same.

but and it doesn't change TheTallOakTrees statement that all other keyworkers just got on with it is just pure bollocks.

I haven't even touched on
GPs
Dentists
Shop workers
Physiotherapists etc.

And as for back to normal in schools

JCQ and exam boards are already publishing changes to next years yr 11 exams and NEAs that have to be considered when teaching the pupils.

@TheTallOakTrees

Well since all the SD goes tomorrow, no face masks required and back to pre covid in many ways then schools will be too. Schools are not different.

We have had claims of teachers being thrown under the bus, slaughtered, dropping like flies and yet they are still here still moaning. As far as a group go I have never come across any other professional group that moan as much. Lots of people have suffered but the teachers obviously always have it worse

Well done the other keyworker groups that just do their jobs, in difficult times. Perhaps it's just mn teachers though the 2 I know in real life are not like the ones on here.

But you (I’m guessing you are a parent) and some other posters are moaning that schools aren’t running as normal. They can’t run ‘as normal’ for the ‘poor kids’ (and who will think of the kids…?) when teachers are off sick with Covid. Teachers will be off sick with Covid until schools are made safer. Being doubly vaccinated stops me worrying about ending up on a ventilator due to high exposure to Covid but it doesn’t stop me catching Covid. If I catch Covid and my colleagues catch Covid, then the schools can’t open. This is what is happening now. Do you understand this?

If you are happy with this, then accept the fact you will be spending a lot of time supervising your children in autumn and winter and it will affect your own work or free time during the day. Remember that Covid can be caught more than once, especially as it mutates.

I don’t actually care about your opinion of my profession, especially as you are quite quiet about your own line of work. The closures that are happening right now won’t stop next term though and because I GENUINELY care about education, I will continue to keep flagging up the problems if staff are ill. I really hope we get priority booster too - although that is purely for me 🙂

Current mitigation measures haven't been much use so far have they, measures that would actually reduce transmission such as smaller classes are never going to happen any time soon if ever so we are in effect pissing in the wind trying to get zero covid (or any other virus for that matter) in schools

@CastleEden

Maybe back to 'normal' in gov, terms. It will be a long time before COVID allows normality tho.

Just because stickers are removed, bubbles taken out it doesn't mean kids are going to be back to a normal education.

Autumn will see the virus passed round and round. Kids will be in, off, in and off again. Staff the same. Given that this virus reinfects, the Autumn term will be more disrupted than any term so far.

These last couple of weeks show that. From the thirty schools I work with, only two have had no positive cases - and that is with measures in place.

Which shows current measures aren't working. So why continue with them and cause even more firms to collapse, more unemployment, more bankruptcies etc.

If you want infection rates to come down, we need to go back into a lockdown, not just fart about with arguing about keeping masks.

@BustopherPonsonbyJones Teachers will be off sick with Covid until schools are made safer.

However safe they're made, teachers will still be off with covid until the pandemic is officially over. Teachers will be catching it in shops, pubs, restaurants, on holidays, in hospitals, etc etc. Stopping transmission in schools is just one mitigation. I presume there won't be many teachers who aren't having a "normal" life outside their schools, just like most other people.