Please or to access all these features

Add post

Watch this thread

Save thread

Start a new thread

Flip thread

Hide thread

My feed

Active Unanswered threads

Getting started FAQ's

Unanswered threads Acronyms Talk guidelines

Hide shortcut buttons

Talk

Covid

Mumsnet doesn't verify the qualifications of users. If you have medical concerns, please consult a healthcare professional.

Flip

1 2

Original poster

Get vaccinated or get COVID...

35 replies

wheresmymojo · 15/07/2021 20:17

I think this (see pics for Sky news story and tweet) actually means the Govt's strategy is the right one?

I've always been quite cautious about COVID and was in favour of lockdowns and delaying the opening up until July but basically the data shows that with the Delta variant being so highly transmissible there isn't any such thing as 'herd immunity'.

If you don't get vaccinated, or the vaccine doesn't work for you, then you will get COVID. It's just a matter of when, not if.

So as horrible as it is (and I have massive sympathies for the immune suppressed and anyone the vaccine doesn't work for) there is no point continuing to shield the remaining vulnerable because they'd have to shield for the rest of their lives.

It's a horrible conclusion to face...but that seems to be what the data is saying...

OP posts:

XenoBitch · 15/07/2021 20:36

So, let it rip basically?

Overthebow · 15/07/2021 20:40

Yes that’s what it is now. So no point delaying opening up.

MareofBeasttown · 15/07/2021 20:43

If this is the case, they need to open up vaccines for the under 18 as quickly as possible before school begins again.

AfternoonToffee · 15/07/2021 20:43

Surely it is get vaccinated and get covid or don't get vaccinated and get covid?

What's the point in any of it now, it's all a performance.

Holyridonkulus · 15/07/2021 20:45

But getting vaccinated isn't going to stop you catching it and passing it to others

I'm definitely on the side of getting vaccinated because hopefully it really does lessen the severity of it but it won't eradicate it

Mreggsworth · 15/07/2021 20:47

This does seem to be the case. I'm in the north east with the highest numbers in the country and in the last couple of weeks I've known so many people to get it, mostly those who have only had one jab so far, Luckily this time round everyone's symptoms seem to be mild. Though I dont know if this is the whole picture as our local hospitals have gone back into panic mode and started deploying staff and cancelling things again, but we do have a few anti vaxers around here.

Some local pharmacies have had to close as no staff as well as a few pubs and cafes etc. Theres been massive public transport delays as no drivers. I have been track and traced everytime I have gone out for dinner in the last 3 weeks. I've only had one vaccine so just a waiting game till it's my turn.

MareofBeasttown · 15/07/2021 20:48

@Holyridonkulus

But getting vaccinated isn't going to stop you catching it and passing it to others

I'm definitely on the side of getting vaccinated because hopefully it really does lessen the severity of it but it won't eradicate it

Makes you far less likely to both catch and spread. Lots of studies on this.

FromEden · 15/07/2021 20:49

Get vaccinated and get covid, or don't get vaccinated and get covid. That's what it is. The vaccines aren't stopping people getting infected and spreading it.

GalesThisMorning · 15/07/2021 20:54

What about kids though?

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/07/2021 20:55

Why do people insist on a binary of EVERYTHING?

It's less catching, less transmissible and less serious with vaccinations.

It's not all or nothing.

MareofBeasttown · 15/07/2021 20:56

Yes. People seem to want a 100% effective vaccine when there has never been one.

MareofBeasttown · 15/07/2021 20:58

That tweet by Adam Kucharski literally says vaccination reduces transmission by 85%.

MrsSkylerWhite · 15/07/2021 20:59

fternoonToffee

Surely it is get vaccinated and get covid or don't get vaccinated and get covid?

What's the point in any of it now, it's all a performance.”

Performance? Nonsense.
Don’t get vaccinated and get Covid and become potentially very ill and end up in ICU.
Get vaccinated and get Covid and have a much greater chance of suffering a mild illness and not ending up in hospital or ICU.

Doesn’t everyone know that by now?

Arsebucket · 15/07/2021 21:00

I can’t remember the predictions for just how many children were thought to have already had covid, most without symptoms.

If a symptomatic cases as and have always been as rife as they say they are, then many people have already had it without knowing.

user1471453601 · 15/07/2021 21:05

So, using your logic, it's not clear what you think cev people should do.

It was difficult enough to be cev when it was the law that masks should be worn and people should respect the two meter rule, but given that's now gone, how would you recommend cev people should manage even the remotest semblance of a normal life?

As a cev person, I've ventured out on occasions with double vaccinated people like me. We've gone to restaurants because they had the two meter and mask rules, and we had to give contact details in case anyone there later tested p positive.
Now not only don't we have these rules, but the government is talking about making the nhs app " less sensitive ". That reads to me like making the app less accurate.

So, is it the case that cev people either choose to dice with death to save others from the inconvenience of staying two meters apart and wear a mask, and employers the inconvenience of staff having to isolate, or that cev people and those they live with choose to , simply never socialise again?

Which is it?

Hellocatshome · 15/07/2021 21:09

So what do the kids do?

Lostinacloud · 15/07/2021 21:10

Yes thanks, I’ll get covid and gain natural immunity, as good if not better than any vaccine. In fact I’ve already had symptomatic covid and have natural immunity, just a shame that doesn’t seem to exist anymore!

Lostinacloud · 15/07/2021 21:17

The kids have had it too and like most coronavirus viruses felt a bit unwell for half a day to a day at the most and then moved on with their lives! Sick of the fear and ongoing crap about this bloody virus. We’re losing all sense of risk and sensibility and handing massive control to the state with barely any resistance. A state who should have invested in the NHS all this time instead of into their mate’s pop up pcr testing company

krystalweedon · 15/07/2021 21:26

We’re losing all sense of risk and sensibility and handing massive control to the state with barely any resistance

What control do you mean? "The State" is rolling back the restrictions in England from 19 July and the rest of the UK is doing so to a slightly lesser degree come August.

Lucidas · 15/07/2021 21:28

@MrsTerryPratchett

Why do people insist on a binary of EVERYTHING?

It's less catching, less transmissible and less serious with vaccinations.

It's not all or nothing.

Some people are incapable of grasping that transmission can be reduced by a certain %.

loulouljh · 15/07/2021 21:31

Agreed. We are losing all sense of risk. it is currently all about the money. get the jab to make someone rich.

loulouljh · 15/07/2021 21:33

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/07/2021 21:36

@Lostinacloud

I mean it's only killed 4 million people FFS. Barely a cold.

PurpleOkapi · 15/07/2021 21:39

If you don't get vaccinated, or the vaccine doesn't work for you, then you will get COVID. It's just a matter of when, not if.

I don't think that's a reasonable conclusion from that data. It's fair to say that someone who has a typical lifestyle and takes no precautions will almost certainly get it eventually if they aren't vaccinated. But it's completely untrue that someone who's determined to avoid exposure, and who makes decisions accordingly, is doomed to get no matter how careful they are.

krystalweedon · 15/07/2021 21:41

Yeah but those 4 million were all on their last legs anyway MrsTerryPratchett, so who cares. Lostinacloud's kids only had a sniffle, that's what counts.

Flip

1 2