Sainsbury's and Tesco have joined the bookseller, Waterstones, which has said customers should wear masks to protect staff and other shoppers.

[UndercoverToad]

Good.

@JaniieJones

'HCPs are not having smears and panic attacks for 12 hours at a time though.'

You've no idea what mh issues many will be struggling with after this year so please don't be so dismissive.Try some empathy.

Yikes!

Way to miss the point

@JaniieJones

'HCPs are not having smears and panic attacks for 12 hours at a time though.'

You've no idea what mh issues many will be struggling with after this year so please don't be so dismissive.Try some empathy.

And you have no idea what mh issues I am struggling with. If mine can be solved with perspective, why can’t everyone’s?

@MercyBooth

I said Im NOW beginning to see very little point in the vaccines. And i am far from being the only one.

Then people need to read the basic data. Far fewer people are seriously ill and far fewer people are in hospital.

Even when masks are no longer law - and I understand this - it is likely to be a continued condition in health and social care. For those who have trauma around certain medical treatments, unfortunately, it’s not going to be easy to overcome. I don’t know what the answer is, perhaps specialist clinics for those with additional needs in this area? I’m not sure if such a thing exists but it should!

'And you have no idea what mh issues I am struggling with. If mine can be solved with perspective, why can’t everyone’s'

My comment was in response to someone dismissing hcps working 12hr shifts head to toe in ppe and how it's ok because they aren't having smears or panic attacks. We don't know what they are enduring do we?

@Mickarooni Maybe you should pay some attention to Chris Whitty who is concerned about possible exponential increases in cases (and the potential for increases in death numbers ) and is urging caution?

@JaniieJones

'And you have no idea what mh issues I am struggling with. If mine can be solved with perspective, why can’t everyone’s'

My comment was in response to someone dismissing hcps working 12hr shifts head to toe in ppe and how it's ok because they aren't having smears or panic attacks. We don't know what they are enduring do we?

You can care about both Janie

Empathy isn't finite

@JaniieJones

'And you have no idea what mh issues I am struggling with. If mine can be solved with perspective, why can’t everyone’s'

My comment was in response to someone dismissing hcps working 12hr shifts head to toe in ppe and how it's ok because they aren't having smears or panic attacks. We don't know what they are enduring do we?

You dismissed someone having a panic attack in a mask, whilst having a smear by saying HCPs can breathe fine and wear masks for 12 hour shifts. Why? The two are not comparable at all.

@JaniieJones

'And you have no idea what mh issues I am struggling with. If mine can be solved with perspective, why can’t everyone’s'

My comment was in response to someone dismissing hcps working 12hr shifts head to toe in ppe and how it's ok because they aren't having smears or panic attacks. We don't know what they are enduring do we?

And you have no idea what I’m enduring, but apparently you know it can be solved by some perspective 🤷🏻‍♀️.

[quote herecomesthsun]@Mickarooni Maybe you should pay some attention to Chris Whitty who is concerned about possible exponential increases in cases (and the potential for increases in death numbers ) and is urging caution?[/quote]
@herecomesthsun what?! I’m confused. The vaccine has reduced the likelihood of serious illness, death and hospitalisation. That’s all I was referring to. I was responding to the poster who said they didn’t “see the point” in vaccines. I didn’t suggest anything else!

And you have no idea what mh issues I am struggling with. If mine can be solved with perspective, why can’t everyone’s?

I think JaniieJones should go work for their local MH Crisis Team. Tell suffering people to get some prospective whilst they have a cup of tea and a bath.

@Mickarooni apologies, misread where you were coming from.

'The vaccine has reduced the likelihood of serious illness, death and hospitalisation. That’s all I was referring to. I was responding to the poster who said they didn’t “see the point” in vaccines. I didn’t suggest anything else!'

Hopefully there aren’t many people who think there's little point in vaccines but tbh I'm astounded that anyone would think this.

'think JaniieJones should go work for their local MH Crisis Team. Tell suffering people to get some prospective whilst they have a cup of tea and a bath.'

God no I'd never tell anyone with serious MH problems under the care of a MH crisis team that!

What I did say was to try cbt and online is available (as waiting lists are long for f2) and useful for anyone struggling with thin face covers and minor medical procedures. HTH.

@JaniieJones

'think JaniieJones should go work for their local MH Crisis Team. Tell suffering people to get some prospective whilst they have a cup of tea and a bath.'

God no I'd never tell anyone with serious MH problems under the care of a MH crisis team that!

What I did say was to try cbt and online is available (as waiting lists are long for f2) and useful for anyone struggling with thin face covers and minor medical procedures. HTH.

You really have no clue do you?

Please stop peddling your two bit therapy suggestions.

Oh, and maybe you could source an online course in empathy

Well this thread has taken a big derail, hasn't it?

Perhaps on Monday people will be in a position to feed back on how it was in various shops from the mask / no mask perspective.

@JaniieJones

'think JaniieJones should go work for their local MH Crisis Team. Tell suffering people to get some prospective whilst they have a cup of tea and a bath.'

God no I'd never tell anyone with serious MH problems under the care of a MH crisis team that!

What I did say was to try cbt and online is available (as waiting lists are long for f2) and useful for anyone struggling with thin face covers and minor medical procedures. HTH.

I will be sure to tell my friend that she can do online CBT, when she does not have internet access. And people waiting so long for any sort of therapy are already well aware about online services. No one came on here asking for suggestions from what I have seen.

@JaniieJones nasty, just nasty

Had an email from Costa to confirm that masks will not be required in their stores from 19th.

Janie would probably tell a rape survivor to get some online CBT and perspective if she couldn't wear a mask for a thoroughly painless, trauma-free smear.

She believes that most exemptions aren't real, too.

@TheVampiresWife

Janie would probably tell a rape survivor to get some online CBT and perspective if she couldn't wear a mask for a thoroughly painless, trauma-free smear.

She believes that most exemptions aren't real, too.

No, I really wouldn't and all this 'I bet janiie would blah blah' sneering is childish when all I've done is suggest smears can be uncomfortable but are vital and if someone is struggling then online cbt can help, but face covers really aren't the problem.

'Had an email from Costa to confirm that masks will not be required in their stores from 19th.'

I didn't think they had to be anyway in places when people were eating and drinking?

I bet most people will use them in shops and busy areas out of consideration for others anyway as positive cases are surging.

all I've done is suggest smears can be uncomfortable but are vital and if someone is struggling then online cbt can help, but face covers really aren't the problem.

I've rarely had a smear because HCP have been so unhelpful. I know how vital they are but no amount of CBT will stop me panicking. Add a facemask into the mix and I'd probably have a meltdown.

I wore one for a different, less traumatic and less painful, medical procedure recently and it was horrific. It made the experience ten times more stressful. I also couldn't stop myself gasping and clawing at my face so it would have been pointless anyway.

Develop.some.empathy.please.

'Develop.some.empathy.please'

I.have.plenty.

@JaniieJones

'Develop.some.empathy.please'

I.have.plenty.

You.clearly.don't.have.enough.

No, I really wouldn't and all this 'I bet janiie would blah blah' sneering is childish when all I've done is suggest smears can be uncomfortable but are vital and if someone is struggling then online cbt can help, but face covers really aren't the problem

I am not going to say you lack empathy, or are nasty... but maybe you just don't have any personal experience or know anyone who would really struggle with smears. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

CBT is fab if you have low level anxiety/depression. It is criminal it gets prescribed to anyone that has anything other that that, because for those cases it is as useful as a chocolate teapot.

Someone who struggles with smears due to trauma wont find CBT helpful. CBT is a sticking plaster, and does not address deep seated issues. It is actually harmful for some MH conditions, where more intense therapy should be used.

If you have a panic attack, face coverings are hell. You suck them into your mouth, which just escalates things. To have this happen during a smear, which would be traumatic enough before the mask mandate, is hell. If you don't have this experience, or know someone who does, then maybe count your blessings.