Future generations will judge us harshly

[MyGardenSanctuary]

In years to come, people will be horrified at how we handled this pandemic.
We've denied kids (from babies to teenagers) a decent education and proper social contact for 18 months, isolated the vulnerable and elderly out of fear, delayed cancer treatment, denied access to dentist, doctors, support groups, banned partners who didnt live together from seeing each other, banging fucking saucepans, washing shopping, quarantining post, banning grandparents from seeing and hugging their families, dodging people on pavements in case we killed them, abusing those without a mask....I could go on.

Future generations are going to laugh at how this was handled and how we just took it.

The modelling was a complete joke so no

You don’t think the retrospective modelling will be better?!

@Travellor

Future generations will probably reflect on the speed of development and distribution of the vacccine and the benefits this may bring in dealing with the next pandemics.

I was thinking along these lines.

Impossible to predict what the future generations will think.

Perhaps they will be relieved we didn't have a Brazil or India situation? Perhaps it will bring a slow shift in flexible learning and working to not be so city centric, perhaps future architecture and town planning will change to ensure access to outdoors.

Yes to essay questions.

and the cheese/coffee post will become a thing of legend.

I think the cheese/coffee post is a thing of legend.

The being a murderer for sitting on a park bench and eating crisps was all too true however.

I can imagine the essays, yes

The impact of lockdown will have been considered at length by various experts, civil servants etc. Just because it looks like Bojo stands up and says the first think that comes into his head doesnt mean that's not true. We've still along way to go in this pandemic and it will be many years before we know which tactics were mist effective in both reducing deaths and illness and minimising other impacts on society.

Pre covid, care for the elderly was appalling in many cases, cancer treatments were a lottery, many people couldn’t get NHS dental treatment, ethnic minorities were abused and spat at on the street, education standards were not great, mental health care for everyone but especially kids was difficult to access etc..... but very few people cared. People only care now because it’s affecting them, they can no longer turn a blind eye and pretend it’s not happening.

People should be judged for not caring about these things sooner. Future generations should judge us for much more than the handling of the pandemic.

Poor, caricatured take. How do you safely proceed with cancer treatment when hospitals are a massive covid infection risk? And where do you obtain the capacity to also be able to deal with hordes of people struggling with covid?

The impact of lockdown will have been considered at length by various experts, civil servants etc

There’s no evidence of that at all. It’s a very complex question that would have necessitated a lot of work. There’s no evidence it was done to any meaningful degree.

Part of the issue also is that lockdown was originally supposed to be for ‘a few weeks’. Obviously the impact of that wouldn’t have been enormous.

But then mission creep and it became somewhat normalised and next thing you know we were months and months of hard lockdown without properly considering the long term consequences.

Lockdowns to ‘save the NHS’ are also a consequence of a poor management of our healthcare system. So I hope people do judge the nation for voting in a bunch of corrupt clowns for our government.

@MyGardenSanctuary

In years to come, people will be horrified at how we handled this pandemic. We've denied kids (from babies to teenagers) a decent education and proper social contact for 18 months, isolated the vulnerable and elderly out of fear, delayed cancer treatment, denied access to dentist, doctors, support groups, banned partners who didnt live together from seeing each other, banging fucking saucepans, washing shopping, quarantining post, banning grandparents from seeing and hugging their families, dodging people on pavements in case we killed them, abusing those without a mask....I could go on.

Future generations are going to laugh at how this was handled and how we just took it.

So how would you have managed it then. Without public health measures like these the situation would have been worse. I think we didn’t go far or quickly enough at times. Many of the public health measures are the same as those used in previous pandemics. How do you manage to provide cancer care if the hospitals are overwhelmed with COVID. The washing shopping was daft in hindsight but it was a new virus and it took some time to be clear that transmission was airborne. And the countries in Asia who tolerated greater restrictions and didn’t do all the hand wringing about masks have generally had much better outcomes

This sort of thing really is doom-mongering

Yeah sure🥱

It’s just an emergency response to an emergency situation.

Lockdowns to ‘save the NHS’ are also a consequence of a poor management of our healthcare system.

Didn’t we see pretty much the same in countries with better healthcare? Germany for example.

I don’t think any system could cope with spread in one hit

I also agree lockdowns weren’t carefully thought about. It was more meant to be short term but we’ve been battered a bit.

Also why the next phase probably won’t include more (unless vaccine busting but even then it should be questioned)

@TheKeatingFive

and the cheese/coffee post will become a thing of legend.

I think the cheese/coffee post is a thing of legend.

The being a murderer for sitting on a park bench and eating crisps was all too true however.

Has 'Boris and the Costa' been saved in MN Classics?

It should be, for the thread title alone.

Not sure about it becoming an essay topic - other pandemic haven’t become essay topics. But if it did I wonder if a question would be ‘did the lockdowns of 2021 save as many lives as thought.? Discuss’

It'll be old hat. They'll be cursing us for Climate change and the complete balls up we make of that.

Future generations will judge us harshly for ending up in December 2019 with the choice of Prime Minister being either a historic IRA sympathiser or a misogynistic liar who will not even answer the simple question of how many children he has.

It'll be old hat. They'll be cursing us for Climate change and the complete balls up we make of that.

This. They won’t believe that we didn’t heed the warnings.

What’s the cheese/coffee post??

Would they not have judged more harshly for just leaving the old and vulnerable to die in huge numbers? Probably.

@duffeldaisy

From here, the biggest question seems to be why we didn't lock down extremely fast, extremely hard in the first place and stop all this from ever getting out of hand? We then could have kept tight control on borders and lived pretty normal lives otherwise. People could have kept their jobs, children wouldn't have missed out on school. And we'd just have to deal with the odd breakout and hard lockdown every few months. That would have been the way to go.

This.

@MyGardenSanctuary

In years to come, people will be horrified at how we handled this pandemic. We've denied kids (from babies to teenagers) a decent education and proper social contact for 18 months, isolated the vulnerable and elderly out of fear, delayed cancer treatment, denied access to dentist, doctors, support groups, banned partners who didnt live together from seeing each other, banging fucking saucepans, washing shopping, quarantining post, banning grandparents from seeing and hugging their families, dodging people on pavements in case we killed them, abusing those without a mask....I could go on.

Future generations are going to laugh at how this was handled and how we just took it.

The social media craziness whipping up sentiment in either direction.wonr be around by then so they'll just have th cold hard stats to review. Based on those stats they'll think we were all insane not to stay in lockdown longer the first time, and to be more careful, as it would have saved so many more lives.

@MyGardenSanctuary

In years to come, people will be horrified at how we handled this pandemic. We've denied kids (from babies to teenagers) a decent education and proper social contact for 18 months, isolated the vulnerable and elderly out of fear, delayed cancer treatment, denied access to dentist, doctors, support groups, banned partners who didnt live together from seeing each other, banging fucking saucepans, washing shopping, quarantining post, banning grandparents from seeing and hugging their families, dodging people on pavements in case we killed them, abusing those without a mask....I could go on.

Future generations are going to laugh at how this was handled and how we just took it.

I think that ‘future generations’ will be angrier that we’ve used up all the oil and fossil fuels without researching a replacement. I don’t think they’ll be bothered that we tried to protect the vulnerable from a pandemic. I don’t think that future generations will be quite as blinkered and obsessive as you are.