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Isn't the passport thing discriminatory on age?

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Cooldryplace · 13/07/2021 09:27

My two adult DC are due to have their 2nd vaccine at the end of this month, but they had the first much earlier than their age group because of caring responsibilities.

Many of their friends are just having their first now. Which means that whilst large sections of the population can merrily go about their business, once the rules re isolation change on 16 Aug, these young people continue to face repeated periods of isolation, often meaning leave from work on SSP.

Is this really OK?

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ButteringMyArse · 13/07/2021 13:45

Yep. It's probably lawful, but that's not the same thing as fair.

I will probably just squeak into the exempt category on 16th August now the wait has been reduced, but I certainly wouldn't blame anyone whose age has prevented them from obtaining full vaccination for refusing to observe isolation rules.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 13/07/2021 13:46

Yep vile and unfair- worse when you factor how much the young gave up to protect the elderly who can now fuck off on holiday

I agree and I’m in my 40s , and have had two jabs. All not fair.

GolfEchoRomeoTangoIndia · 13/07/2021 13:47

@Tommika

It’s not discriminatory due to age, the reasoning that effects younger people is based on medical risk.

@Cooldryplace - you’ve highlighted that it isn’t age related by noting that your two have had their first vaccine and will get their second vaccine ahead of others in their age group due to their caring responsibilities and risk.

Something can be discriminatory if it affects one group disproportionately even if not all members of the group are affected. But yes, eighteen year olds who got their act together briskly after it opened up to their age group will be double vaccinated by the sixteenth. I’ve got one who vacillated for a week and will be double vaxxed by the 22nd.
ButteringMyArse · 13/07/2021 13:49

Will they have time to do the two week post jab requirement by then as well golf?

KylieKoKo · 13/07/2021 14:18

Think it’s fair- you shut down businesses, schools, unis when the people who needed them open were low risk!

@OnlyFoolsnMothers - I didn't - I am not Boris Johnson. Why do you think I shut these things down?

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 13/07/2021 14:32

@KylieKoKo

Think it’s fair- you shut down businesses, schools, unis when the people who needed them open were low risk!

@OnlyFoolsnMothers - I didn't - I am not Boris Johnson. Why do you think I shut these things down?

Whoops sorry not you…I meant to write “we” as in society
lljkk · 13/07/2021 14:51

prinks, fake IDs, fake vaccine passports, teenagers will find a way to party how they like...

KylieKoKo · 13/07/2021 15:46

Good point @lljkk

There are plenty of illegal raves around for anyone who wants them.

TeamNegan · 13/07/2021 15:56

Can’t you just provide a recent negative test instead of having two vaccines until you’re able to be double vaccinated or did I misunderstand?

If yes, then it’ll only be a few extra weeks of having to do that to go out and it’s a pain but not hugely so when they’re readily available?

santanddec · 13/07/2021 15:57

Well it's technically discriminatory but it would only be for a few weeks from 16th August for most if they get their first doses booked in ASAP. As other pp have mentioned, bookings have been open for over 18s for a while now and there are pop ups/walk ins in most places across England. Perhaps it isn't fair, but is anything during this pandemic?

clary · 13/07/2021 16:03

@nordica

16th August is still 5 weeks away and vaccine booking has been open to everyone over 18 for about 3 weeks now. As the gap between first and second vaccines is now 8 weeks, anyone who booked their first vaccine quickly after they became eligible should be fully vaccinated on or very soon after the 16th. Obviously lots are only just now having their first vaccinations but that's up to them for not booking in earlier. There hasn't really been any shortage of appointments and walk in clinics recently.
Yes, this exactly.

Walk in clinics where I am several weeks ago, all my DC (aged 18-22) are first jabbed with second has due early Aug. If people are only now having their first jab that is really down to them, there have been opportunities for a few weeks now.

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Cooldryplace · 13/07/2021 16:06

I don't know what it's like in other parts of the country, I know some have had drop in centres, but here the earliest appointment for a first vaccine is in 3 weeks' time and just because "they" have said you can have the 2nd after 8 weeks doesn't mean you can get an appointment.

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londonmummy1966 · 13/07/2021 16:06

It probably isn't discriminatory but it is really unfair. Young people have very much borne the cost of the lockdown despite not being the ones likely to suffer much from COVID. Now yet again the "oldies" they have lost so much to protect get their lives back first.

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Cooldryplace · 13/07/2021 16:07

Drop in centres were for the areas where there were sudden high incidences of the delta variant weren't they? I'm not aware of any here.

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3cats4poniesandababy · 13/07/2021 16:18

This policy should not have been brought in until at least say 16 weeks after the last adults became eligible to book. That gives time for second jabs and a but of time for most to get immunity built up and some time for people to have a chance to book in.

We locked down to protect the NHS. I wasn't likely to be part of the demographic to overwhelm the NHS but had to lockdown all the same. Why is it now that the risk to those which were previously higher risk has been reduced (ie via vaccination) do I have to continue with isolating and potential vaccine passports.

We all know that you can still catch and spread covid once vaccinated and that the main point of the vaccine is to prevent serious illness - so why is okay for people to swan around sprending it to the younger population? Last year saying you were low risk so weren't doing lockdowns resulted in you being called selfish - why is this new behaviour any different.... it is hypocritical.

CryingAtTheDiscotheque · 13/07/2021 16:25

It does seem unfair, and the govt is being very coy about the reason for slowdown in vax. There certainly aren't any drop ins or available appointments where I live. I recall a few weeks back there were reports of Pfizer shortages (plenty of AZ apparently but can't use that for U40s). Whatever the reason, my two adult children booked their 1st doses as soon as they were offered, but have been unable to accelerate their 2nd doses, which they won't get until September.

Itsprobablynotcominghome · 13/07/2021 16:26

I think it’s fine.

It’s the last sacrifice I’ll make though. And I say that as a pro-lockdown, pro-vaccine person.

If 1000 old people are dying per day in the midst of winter, so be it.

They can’t have it both ways.

CryingAtTheDiscotheque · 13/07/2021 16:26

@londonmummy1966

It probably isn't discriminatory but it is really unfair. Young people have very much borne the cost of the lockdown despite not being the ones likely to suffer much from COVID. Now yet again the "oldies" they have lost so much to protect get their lives back first.
Yes, exactly this.
MikeHat · 13/07/2021 16:49

I wish they would relax the 8 week rule. DS has his 2nd jab booked in August and has been to a drop in centre to try and get it early but they flatly refused. There wasn't another sole there, just staff waiting for customers.

clary · 13/07/2021 16:50

@Cooldryplace

Drop in centres were for the areas where there were sudden high incidences of the delta variant weren't they? I'm not aware of any here.
Ah ok I took it that they were all over, not aware that we gave especially high incidence here but maybe so.

Certainly there have been several (3-4) weekends worth of drop in clinics in the cities near here abd also in village/town locations, within probs a 50-mile radius. I gather they have not been especially busy, certainly ds2 walked straight in on a Sunday morning.

loulouljh · 13/07/2021 16:52

It is not ok on many many grounds including age discrimination. It would be the start of a very very slippery slope. Israel abandoned this.

loulouljh · 13/07/2021 16:54

I suspect the low uptake is because young people, not unreasonably, can weigh up risk and conclude there is no need to have it.

gillysSong · 13/07/2021 16:58

Of course it isn't age discriminatory.
Everyone who wants one will have been offered one before long.

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 13/07/2021 16:58

Mid thirties, due second vaccination on 13th August and I booked the day it opened to my age group. Bit unfair to say its people fault fir not being organised...

I'm keeping my eye out for drop in clinics for second vaccine.

As for it not being fair... I think it was going to happen at some point. Surprised it wasn't sooner. The carrot to get people to do it

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Cooldryplace · 13/07/2021 17:01

As far as I can work out it's only really work and travel that will be affected. I.e. people not being able tp work because they're isolating, if not fully vaccinated.

All the entertainment stuff is voluntary on the part of the businesses and they seem to be saying they're not prepared to do it.

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