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shewalkslikerihanna · 13/07/2021 19:02

Op quote

Today 08:37 Catcrazy008

Predicting a rough winter for COVID.
Possible lockdowns.
Is it likely that schools will close again and we will return to home schooling?
I really can’t face it, but if it’s going to happen, I would rather try and psych myself up for it.

I don’t think you can psych yourself up for it
I think all you will do is live in fear and suck all the joy out of the present

Try to live in the moment
Grab every bit of joy by the handlebars and give it everything you’ve got

We did last year and I can look back and think thank god we did

I love that saying
Yesterday is history
Tomorrow is a mystery
Today is a gift
Which is why it’s called the present

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 13/07/2021 19:16

@DottyHarmer

“Effective test and trace”

But when it does work, and people are pinged, they all start deleting their apps as they don’t want to isolate.

Unless you make the app compulsory and impose punitive measures for a) not checking in b) not isolating and c) deleting app then the system is not going to work.

And I can understand why people ignore: it’s all right if you can sit in your house for a week or so and wfh/retired/do not work, but if you are a zero hours person or have own business….. it’s a decision to make.

The question is what part of the app actually works? I've deleted it, I'm not isolating when someone in the flat nextdoor or upstairs tests positive.

There is no way you could make the app compulsory - what about those without a smartphone or one that doesn't support the app? We're not South Korea or China and nor do I want to be!

I can work from home (although I hate it) but I can completely understand why someone who can't isn't going to isolate and lose money.

shewalkslikerihanna · 13/07/2021 19:16

@Overthebow
When I saw how much I was struggling after being evacuated from Tenerife last March when they went into lockdown
I just knew the only way I was going to cope mentally was to meet with like minded people

This we did and I’ve come out of it with mental health intact...in the main

Homeontherangeuk · 13/07/2021 19:19

@MrsFin

I don't think there will need nearly so many deaths though. What's the alternative to lifting the lockdown? The govt can't pay everyone's salaries for ever, particularly when the rest of us are paying less tax (by shopping less). Kids can't keep on being half educated at home We don't really give flu a second thought each winter. People die of it all the time. We DO have to live with Covid in society. There is no alternative.

There was 50 deaths today....

shewalkslikerihanna · 13/07/2021 19:20

@PinkSparklyPussyCat
Exactly

My friend is double jabbed
Got pinged to si for a week
Took a lateral flow that was negative
I said great, you can go out
No she’s not and has cancelled two much needed health appointments for this week

I just don’t get this at all

PrincessNutNuts · 13/07/2021 19:20

@DottyHarmer

“Effective test and trace”

But when it does work, and people are pinged, they all start deleting their apps as they don’t want to isolate.

Unless you make the app compulsory and impose punitive measures for a) not checking in b) not isolating and c) deleting app then the system is not going to work.

And I can understand why people ignore: it’s all right if you can sit in your house for a week or so and wfh/retired/do not work, but if you are a zero hours person or have own business….. it’s a decision to make.

It's not very effective then is it?

Most countries do it by supporting people to isolate and by communicating a "work together to beat this" message.

And by not pinging people unnecessarily.

OnePoundfishhhhh · 13/07/2021 19:41

Covid-19 is no longer a novel disease, the emergency measures put in place to manage it should have been short and temporary. The government kept them too long and used fear to petrify people into submission. We can’t sustain borrowing billions to pay perfectly healthy people to sit at home for a disease that the vast majority of adults would have been vaccinated against and which is survivable.

At some point, you have to accept that covid is here to stay, that no amount of restrictions is going to get rid of it and that learning to live with it means learning to accept the risk that just like other diseases such as flu ( and I know covid is not like flu) it will kill some. Lots of things can and does kill us, but shutting down society is not a sustainable way to deal with that risk.

Lockdowns are a very blunt tool with wide ranging, serious and long lasting consequences. Unless we get a completely devastating vaccine evading variant, I highly doubt we’ll see any further lockdowns.

GoldenOmber · 13/07/2021 19:48

No.

The last lockdowns were to buy time, for vaccines, for better treatments. We now have vaccines and better treatments. We will not have to face the very real possibility of the health service collapsing, and we don’t lock down the whole country for anything less than absolutely urgent dire situations like that.

People will still get ill and die of covid, but in much much smaller numbers, Ava really what’s the alternative? We can’t make covid go away, we can’t eliminate it globally, we can’t keep borders closed forever, and we have effective vaccines now. So.

hennybeans · 13/07/2021 19:54

I can't see a lockdown happening again unless people are dying 1000+ a day again. Too many people will refuse. And even with that high of a death rate, I don't think schools will shut again unless children are dying.

PrincessNutNuts · 13/07/2021 20:06

@hennybeans

I can't see a lockdown happening again unless people are dying 1000+ a day again. Too many people will refuse. And even with that high of a death rate, I don't think schools will shut again unless children are dying.

It's not about the deaths this time. (Although if cases get above 300,000 a day we could get to 1000 deaths a day again.)

It's about the hospital admissions and patients on mechanical ventilation.

And all the stuff that has had to be put off because the government keeps the NHS too busy with covid to catch up.

PrincessNutNuts · 13/07/2021 20:08

@GoldenOmber

No.

The last lockdowns were to buy time, for vaccines, for better treatments. We now have vaccines and better treatments. We will not have to face the very real possibility of the health service collapsing, and we don’t lock down the whole country for anything less than absolutely urgent dire situations like that.

People will still get ill and die of covid, but in much much smaller numbers, Ava really what’s the alternative? We can’t make covid go away, we can’t eliminate it globally, we can’t keep borders closed forever, and we have effective vaccines now. So.

That's a bit defeatist isn't it?

Our country can do anything other countries can do.

We need a proactive covid strategy and a positive "can do" attitude, not people talking us down and being negative.

PrincessNutNuts · 13/07/2021 20:10

@OnePoundfishhhhh

Covid-19 is no longer a novel disease, the emergency measures put in place to manage it should have been short and temporary. The government kept them too long and used fear to petrify people into submission. We can’t sustain borrowing billions to pay perfectly healthy people to sit at home for a disease that the vast majority of adults would have been vaccinated against and which is survivable.

At some point, you have to accept that covid is here to stay, that no amount of restrictions is going to get rid of it and that learning to live with it means learning to accept the risk that just like other diseases such as flu ( and I know covid is not like flu) it will kill some. Lots of things can and does kill us, but shutting down society is not a sustainable way to deal with that risk.

Lockdowns are a very blunt tool with wide ranging, serious and long lasting consequences. Unless we get a completely devastating vaccine evading variant, I highly doubt we’ll see any further lockdowns.

We'll get more lockdowns for exactly the same reasons we had the last three lockdowns.

GoldenOmber · 13/07/2021 20:18

That's a bit defeatist isn't it?

Goodness me yes, what was I thinking? I’m sure we can eliminate covid forever merely by adopting a ‘positive can-do attitude’.

PrincessNutNuts · 13/07/2021 21:30

@GoldenOmber

That's a bit defeatist isn't it?

Goodness me yes, what was I thinking? I’m sure we can eliminate covid forever merely by adopting a ‘positive can-do attitude’.

Our country can do anything other countries can do.

We need a proactive covid strategy and a positive "can do" attitude, not people talking us down and being negative.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 13/07/2021 21:31

@PrincessNutNuts you're one of the most negative people on the Covid boards so that's an ironic post.

GoldenOmber · 13/07/2021 21:35

Yes, hammer it into submission with motivational slogans, that’s sure to work.

PrincessNutNuts · 13/07/2021 21:36

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@PrincessNutNuts you're one of the most negative people on the Covid boards so that's an ironic post.[/quote]
I agree that I'm viewed that way in some quarters.

MarshaBradyo · 13/07/2021 21:36

It’s an odd split off when the most negative start telling others they are defeatist

After all the negativity

TerritorialPissings · 13/07/2021 21:36

@Homeontherangeuk ok, so 50 deaths today. Have you previously accepted 50 flu deaths a day? If so, why?

PrincessNutNuts · 13/07/2021 21:49

@MarshaBradyo

It’s an odd split off when the most negative start telling others they are defeatist

After all the negativity

I'm positive we can keep thousands of British people out of covid wards, off mechanical ventilation and out of coffins,

However, those super positive "We must reconcile ourselves to many more deaths from covid" types are in charge - and they seem to think it's inevitable that people who haven't even caught covid yet should die of it soon.

NannyAndJohn · 13/07/2021 21:56

Big Fourth Wave in the winter, projected to be even worse than the current one:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1001172/S1302_University_of_Warwick_Road_Map_Scenarios_and_Sensitivity_Step_4.2__6_July_2021__1_.pdf

We're preparing for a Lockdown Christmas.

GoldenOmber · 13/07/2021 21:58

Zero deaths from COVID anywhere ever again would be a lovely outcome. It is not an achievable one. No matter what you do with borders, no matter what you do with ventilation in schools, no matter if every single person in the country agrees to wear a mask forever and a day, it’s not going to be eliminated. And so long as it’s still around, somebody somewhere will die from it at some point, like they do from a hundred other diseases that we aren’t eliminating either.

But if you do think it’s possible to totally stop all deaths from an infectious disease just by Thinking Positively and having a Can-Do Attitude, what are you doing pratting about on here when you could be eliminating malaria?

MarshaBradyo · 13/07/2021 22:01

Warwick modelling doesn’t have a great track record does it?

The hospital one was pretty far off

GoldenOmber · 13/07/2021 22:05

@MarshaBradyo

Warwick modelling doesn’t have a great track record does it?

The hospital one was pretty far off

It sets out a number of scenarios, some of them with now inter wave, some of them with one smaller than the current one, some of them with it higher than the current one. It doesn’t predict a ‘Lockdown Christmas’.

NannyAndJohn · 13/07/2021 22:10

@MarshaBradyo

Warwick modelling doesn’t have a great track record does it?

The hospital one was pretty far off

They warned us about the Third Wave.

But Joe Public kept their heads in the sand.