Advice for the vulnerable

[Sadless]

On the news it's saying advice well be issued for the vulnerable soon. What do you think will be in that advice.

Sal

Maybe something about those masks FF3 are they called? Which seem to work the best? Idk otherwise. Maybe some guidance about working from home?

I don’t understand why they can’t separate the CEV from the immune suppressed / immune compromised. The latter group is much higher risk. Perhaps it’s a logical thing.

I'm thinking wear a mask? Social distance? We are no longer considered high risk? We will change the definition and people who fall under the ev and ecv.

Lose some weight if you need to. Eat healthy? I'm just guessing things.

I agree Mick. There's the idea that all the vulnerable are vaccinated so everyone thinks that jobs done.
Meanwhile the CEV and CV under 16s and immunosuppressed people are as at risk as ever. It needs reframing.

Apparently it is to avoid indoor spaces and don't meet unvaccinated people.
Could be tricky for me, I'm a CEV teacher so I have 6 different groups of 30 unvaccinated people in a confined space with me, not social distancing, every day. But employers will no longer have any legal responsibility to make workplaces safe, it's our own 'personal responsibility'.

I wonder if my husband should start living in the garden. It's be the only way he can avoid being indoors with unvaccinated people, given that we have two children. Again there's no thought as to what is practical for people who live with others or have to work outside the home etc etc..

Apparently it is to avoid indoor spaces and don't meet unvaccinated people
It is going to be that useless isn't it? I didn't expect much but that's poor.

I’m sure people can just do what works for them and their families, what ever the advice is it would be the same if we unlock on Monday or unlock in a years time covid isn’t going anywhere so people are going to have to look at their own health and decide what’s best for them. It can’t be a mutual responsibility for everyone to shoulder forever! As hard as that is we simply can’t continue with restrictions to protect a very small minority while harming the majority in terms of quality of life and the economy.

It'll be a continuation of the current precautionary advice, I think.

And really pants that Javid promised in the Commons just after 3pm that the new advice would be published today.

But here we are again, waiting as an afterthought.

Glad to see more questions being asked about what happens to those for whom 'freedom day' is the opposite

As hard as that is we simply can’t continue with restrictions to protect a very small minority while harming the majority in terms of quality of life and the economy

I doubt the economy would be hurt one iota by requiring masks on public transport and essential shops.

And both those steps would achieve the slower lifting that Whitty was commending

@NuttyinNotts

I wonder if my husband should start living in the garden. It's be the only way he can avoid being indoors with unvaccinated people, given that we have two children. Again there's no thought as to what is practical for people who live with others or have to work outside the home etc etc..

I would be keen on this after a year of him wfh.

If people are to 'take personal responsibility', they need to be in full possession of the facts - including know any possible relevant information.

For a start, people should be told which underlying conditions have the highest Covid death rates. Global data suggests that it's heart issues and diabetes.

@nether

As hard as that is we simply can’t continue with restrictions to protect a very small minority while harming the majority in terms of quality of life and the economy

I doubt the economy would be hurt one iota by requiring masks on public transport and essential shops.

And both those steps would achieve the slower lifting that Whitty was commending

This.

I’m sure people can just do what works for them and their families
Except they can't Katie unless they and their families are willing to give up jobs, school places etc. My dc are already disadvantaged by my disability. They shouldn't have to give up more.

In UK the highest rates for ICU admissions are those with blood cancer and other immune compromised people.

Young people with blood cancer are amongst the most over represented in serious illness and deaths. Leukaemia is the commonest childhood cancer.

It’s depressing how CEV are seen. Do you think they will mention the third vaccine

Think we'll basically be told to "be careful" and trust to luck:and if your vaccine hasn't kicked in, you'll be stuffed

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/deaths#pre-existing-health-conditions

After Alzheimer's and dementia, the highest Covid death rates were people with diabetes.

Worldwide diabetes accounts for around 20-25% of all the Covid deaths.

@PastMyBestBeforeDate so what exactly do you propose then? What do you want everyone to do? And for how long do you want them to do it? It’s sad that your children are impacted by your disability and your vulnerability to covid but I really don’t think you can propose that everyone should have to change their way of life indefinitely because of this, but I am open to hearing what you think the answer would be?

a) more people have diabetes
b) people with diabetes did not have to shield, and it is not a true comparison between shielded and unshielded groups

@nether

a) more people have diabetes b) people with diabetes did not have to shield, and it is not a true comparison between shielded and unshielded groups

a) The data is broken down to take that into account.

b) The data (from around the world) indicates strongly that they should have.

a) thanks for the clarification

b) Yes, but as they didn't, a comparison cannot be drawn. Those with blood cancer were shielding and still ended up with the second highest ICU admissions (top category being a wider immune compromised category)

But if those with diabetes should be shielding, they can do so in the sense of following the post-shield precautionary advice (as there is next to no actual support, just exhortations not to mix with people) and perhaps add their voices to those of the shield community so the voice of the clinically extremely vulnerable is not erased

Avoid unvaccinated people and indoor spaces

There we have it the CEV children unable to return to school in September it would seem, seeing as schools are full of unvaccinated people and is an indoor space.

Fed up of no acknowledgement of this, plenty about how much childrens lives have been impacted by isolation and how tragic it is for them to isolate for 10 days but no recognition of young children out there who have been pretty much locked away from society for 18 months now with no end in sight!

I wasn't making any comparisons. I was posting about the data.

One group being vulnerable doesn't make another one not vulnerable.

Both groups are vulnerable.

I've posted before on other threads about blood cancer, pointing out their vulnerability.

All the most at risk deserve protection.

Those with blood cancer were shielding and still ended up with the second highest ICU admissions

Was it for Covid? Or were they admitted for the blood cancer (and related issues)? Genuinely wondering btw.