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[England] People ‘expected’ to wear face masks in enclosed public spaces after 19 July

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DumplingsAndStew · 11/07/2021 10:15

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/face-mask-nadhim-zahawi-covid-b1882018.html

New guidance will be issued by the government telling the public they are “expected” to wearface coveringsin indoor enclosed places, the vaccines minister has said.

Nadhim Zahawialso said he was “confident” the government would ease almost all legal restrictions on 19 July — despite surging cases of the virus and concerns expressed by scientists.

Speaking onSky News, he said: “It’s important we remain cautious and careful. The guidelines that we’ll set out tomorrow will demonstrate that, including guidelines that people are expected to wear a mask in indoor enclosed spaces, and of course remain vigilant.”

While the guidance will not be legally binding, his remarks appear to be a shift in stance fromBoris Johnson’s comments just last week, whosaid people “might choose” to follow the guidancein areas where cases are on the rise and in enclosed spaces, such as public transport at peak hours.

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Ginandfantalemon · 12/07/2021 14:17

Can someone tell me what will actually be different come 'Freedom Day', when I'm now reading that we will still need to SD, still work from home if we can, and should still be 'expected' to wear masks in indoor public places. Is that not the rules just now? What will be 'normal' and different on the 19th July then?

Overthebow · 12/07/2021 14:33

@Ginandfantalemon there will be no restrictions on social contacts, so we will be allowed more than 6 people in our houses and more than 30 outside.

ILikeMyName · 12/07/2021 14:41

Face coverings have been optional in most places in Jersey for several weeks now. I'd say (based on my anecdotal observations) around 1 in 8 people are still wearing a mask in enclosed general areas like shops.

They are still needed on the bus, in the airport, on planes and in heathcare settings. But that's pretty much it. I haven't worn a mask since we didn't have to do so, and I am happy with that decision because all our vulnerable people who wish to be/can be vaccinated have been vaccinated now (including nearly 80 under-17-year-olds who have had 2 doses, and 90 under-17-year-olds who've currently had 1 dose).

Almost all our active cases (and we have nearly 1,000) are in the 18-30 year group. As of Friday 2 people were in hospital, neither of them seriously ill. Being a Monday, we will get 3 days of data later today, undoubtedly with more increases in numbers, but also with more recoveries, but the only stat that matters now is how many are in hosptial. The rest of us are just getting on with things, and there is very little of the hysteria seen here that manifests of some Coronavirus threads here (e.g. @NannyAndJohn - I'd love to know how this person would cope living here right now!).

We have an excellent medical team who keep us updated and grounded in the data in frequent releases via the media. They are honest in that numbers will rise, but also have explained the way the numbers are working now, compared to how they were going just before Christmas. We know the medics have the best interests of the island at heart, and are not risking anything or anyone's health in pursuing this course.

The rest of the UK will have to do what we've done eventually. We really are 'living with Covid' now, but not living in fear. Not saying some aren't still wary, or worried, but no one is at the doom-mongering level of scaremongering I read about every day on these threads from certain posters.

I feel sorry for my friend in Australia. She'd give her right arm to be back here now, living a life where she can go about her day with 2 vaccinations (which she would have had back in early March, as she's in my age group), rather than the mess they are making of it now with a - frankly - piss-poor vaccination programme. (In NSW where she lives, the figures last week stood at 650,000 who'd had 1 dose, and only 350,000 who'd had 2.) Whereas they might have topped the table for their initial Covid response a year ago, they are now at the bottom of the global table for vaccinations. And trapped on the bottom of the world unable to get back to family in the UK. I don't think anyone really considers that a win now we know what we know about the efficacy of vaccines. My friend certainly doesn't think she's a winner right now. She wishes she was here with me! Sad

Ginandfantalemon · 12/07/2021 14:58

@ILikeMyName
What a positive post, and that, at least, should give us some optimism. I'm in Scotland, so we'll be a bit behind everyone else. (as usual), but I think when a lot of England stop wearing face coverings, it really has to follow everywhere. For me they have truly been the worst restriction during this pandemic.

MercyBooth · 12/07/2021 15:00

Oh dear

twitter.com/JamesCranworth/status/1414250771835654146?s=20

Ginandfantalemon · 12/07/2021 15:06

Yip, I saw that. But didn't you know, you cant get covid if you're sitting down!!

toocold54 · 12/07/2021 15:11

Surely you don’t need to wear a mask outside anyway? I’ve never known that to be a rule I may be wrong though.

MarshaBradyo · 12/07/2021 15:12

It wasn’t expected in the crowd anyway part of the test iirc

MercyBooth · 12/07/2021 15:22

Someone better tell the parents who are having to wear them in the school playground.

BoaCunstrictor · 12/07/2021 16:14

That's basically schools trying to insist on something they can't legally enforce.

Againstmachine · 12/07/2021 17:35

There is a picture of Vallance at a packed wimbledon going about social media with no mask.

MercyBooth · 12/07/2021 18:45

YY @Againstmachine In my link above.

gardeninggirl68 · 12/07/2021 19:03

@luckylavender

No I won't

It's not illegal and it's not policy

You can't make people do things without one of those in place

So nope. And if so people just claim exempt

luckylavender · 12/07/2021 19:13

@gardeninggirl68 - employers have the right to set their own rules, shops have the right not to admit customers. All perfectly legal.

Againstmachine · 12/07/2021 20:01

shops have the right not to admit customers. All perfectly legal.

A choice with consequences though of people decide not to shop there.

luckylavender · 12/07/2021 20:19

@Againstmachine - obviously

gardeninggirl68 · 12/07/2021 22:35

@luckylavender

They can make as many rules as they like.... they also have to honour people declaring exemption. With NO questions asked

unwuthering · 13/07/2021 01:10

I feel sorry for my friend in Australia. She'd give her right arm to be back here now... My friend certainly doesn't think she's a winner right now. She wishes she was here with me!

Have a look at the world map on this page. Contrast the UK in particular with Australia. Only a ninny would rather be in the UK.

www.smh.com.au/national/covid-19-data-centre-coronavirus-by-the-numbers-20200401-p54g4w.html

XenoBitch · 13/07/2021 01:13

[quote luckylavender]@gardeninggirl68 - employers have the right to set their own rules, shops have the right not to admit customers. All perfectly legal.[/quote]
People will just claim exemption though.. and that is not allowed to be challenged.

Toesies · 13/07/2021 01:56

I feel sorry for my friend in Australia. She'd give her right arm to be back here now, living a life where she can go about her day with 2 vaccinations (which she would have had back in early March, as she's in my age group), rather than the mess they are making of it now with a - frankly - piss-poor vaccination programme. (In NSW where she lives, the figures last week stood at 650,000 who'd had 1 dose, and only 350,000 who'd had 2.) Whereas they might have topped the table for their initial Covid response a year ago, they are now at the bottom of the global table for vaccinations. And trapped on the bottom of the world unable to get back to family in the UK. I don't think anyone really considers that a win now we know what we know about the efficacy of vaccines. My friend certainly doesn't think she's a winner right now. She wishes she was here with me!

@ILikeMyName That's really odd. I also live in NSW, and agree that the vaccination programme has had a rocky start, but its doing fine now. (I would note this is largely due to the fact Australia didn't have access to vaccines - priority was given to countries with higher need.) We have an extremely low level of infections and one death this week - the first in many months. We live more or less normally. I know where I would rather live.

luckylavender · 13/07/2021 08:19

@gardeninggirl68 - so you're saying that people should pretend they have exemption. Which is disingenuous to those with a real exemption. Pathetic.

eastegg · 13/07/2021 09:44

[quote WouldBeGood]@ilovesooty it is the terrified who are driving this mask pish.

Dig a little and it turns out it’s mostly fear, not altruism[/quote]
This idea that mask wearers are scared is tiresome and stupid.

I'm pro-mask, and have worked on the frontline of the criminal justice system for 9 months of the pandemic, doing a job that quite frankly many would shrink from. Working long hours in inadequate public buildings that have been underfunded for decades, coming into contact with all sorts and travelling on public transport every day while many others wfh in their pyjamas. It's a good job I and many like me just get on with mask wearing and also that we are not 'terrified' of Covid, otherwise there would be no-one to run essential public services.

jgw1 · 13/07/2021 10:40

I was thinking as I drove home yesterday that there are many things that one might expect people to do. Drive in accordance with the Highway Code, not chuck litter out of their car into the verges. It does not take many seconds of being on the road to realise that expecting people to behave in a civilised fashion is a forlorn hope.

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 13/07/2021 23:29

In London TfL has just imposed common sense masked passengers as condition of transportation irrespective of governmental confusing mixed messaging or last minute u turns.

Face masks must be worn on London tube, buses and trains after Freedom Day: www.standard.co.uk/news/london/face-masks-london-tube-buses-and-trains-b945612.html

DumplingsAndStew · 14/07/2021 01:12

Hopefully other transport providers will do the same.

Now where are all those who have criticised Nicola Sturgeon for 'always having to do something different from Boris' Hmm

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