Quick poll - will all restrictions be lifted on 19th?

[SonnetForSpring]

Yes or no? I feel a u turn coming on as it seems the majority of public are not happy to lift all restrictions according to government polling.

So wondering what you think?

The government is moving on to ‘individual responsibility’ as a strategy. So if you want you can stay at home and avoid public spaces. The rest of us can crack on with our lives.

Yes they are.....and what happens when people are given personal responsibility but the shits hits the fan?

The givernement steps in. We know the law of the country and have the personal responsibility to follow them. What happens when we don't.

We drive cars, when we do it irresponsibly, there traffic police cameras, people who will report us etc. What happens then? What happens if we harm someone?

Just because they are moving to personal responsibility as a strategy, doesn't mean they won't also u turn or change their minds and step in if things do go tits up.

Not sure why people are so convinced it can never happen again.

@SonnetForSpring

Oh I hadn’t seen the new ‘rolling lockdown’ strategy.

They are removing restrictions so that they get this wave out of the way now in summer. There is zero appetite from anyone in government to do another lockdown. It’s not a long term strategy.

@Unsoliciteddeckpic

The government is moving on to ‘individual responsibility’ as a strategy. So if you want you can stay at home and avoid public spaces. The rest of us can crack on with our lives.

Yes they are.....and what happens when people are given personal responsibility but the shits hits the fan?

The givernement steps in. We know the law of the country and have the personal responsibility to follow them. What happens when we don't.

We drive cars, when we do it irresponsibly, there traffic police cameras, people who will report us etc. What happens then? What happens if we harm someone?

Just because they are moving to personal responsibility as a strategy, doesn't mean they won't also u turn or change their minds and step in if things do go tits up.

Not sure why people are so convinced it can never happen again.

Agree

[quote Delatron]@SonnetForSpring

Oh I hadn’t seen the new ‘rolling lockdown’ strategy.

They are removing restrictions so that they get this wave out of the way now in summer. There is zero appetite from anyone in government to do another lockdown. It’s not a long term strategy.[/quote]
I'm not saying they are following a rolling lockdown strategy purposely but that is the rut they have got themselves into with the virus.

Why do all these discussions want to ignore the virus. It is simply not up to me, you, or the government. We have to adapt to how the virus is threatening our usual way of life. Why is it so difficult to understand. This is not like any virus we have ever seen. It certainly cannot be compared to flu. It is much more transmissable and can be completely asymptomatic.

Once most adults are vaccinated then it’s not going to cause death and hospitalisations in huge numbers so we will have to treat it like any other endemic virus. Not a pleasant one for some and yes for many asymptomatic.

All the government cares about is whether the NHS is being overwhelmed. If it’s not then the balance has tipped.

Lockdown is an emergency response to a new virus. Not a strategy you carry on using after a year and a half.

@Unsoliciteddeckpic

The government is moving on to ‘individual responsibility’ as a strategy. So if you want you can stay at home and avoid public spaces. The rest of us can crack on with our lives.

Yes they are.....and what happens when people are given personal responsibility but the shits hits the fan?

The givernement steps in. We know the law of the country and have the personal responsibility to follow them. What happens when we don't.

We drive cars, when we do it irresponsibly, there traffic police cameras, people who will report us etc. What happens then? What happens if we harm someone?

Just because they are moving to personal responsibility as a strategy, doesn't mean they won't also u turn or change their minds and step in if things do go tits up.

Not sure why people are so convinced it can never happen again.

Exactly this. Personal responsibility just isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. Unfortunately, there are individuals who just can’t manage their own personal responsibility especially in the sense of personal responsibility for the wider community. Cases will rocket and come winter it will be unmanageable for the nhs again.

Cases will rocket now. And we will allow them to. They won’t keep rocketing until Winter. They will peak and fall.

The papers today seem to be hinting at a u turn. The reporting makes it look like the government isn’t going to make anything mandatory, but will expect people to continue with current restrictions, as that’s what the majority of people want.
Personally - what with football, tennis etc going on, the moment for continued containment has long since gone. Bit like last years royal ascot etc.
We need to just get on with it. If people WANT to wear mask etc or business decide on levying rules to follow - then that’s their problem to work out.
But school bubbles, contact isolations etc etc need to stop. We just can’t afford for those things to continue indefinitely.
Vaccines were hailed as our get out of jail
card - now they aren’t. As a country we did what was asked based on this, and we are being spoken to as if we are back at the beginning of the pandemic again with the vaccine not being the magic route back to normal.
So what is it? A) lift restrictions and what happens happens or B) restrictions as now for evermore and a new normal.
The government need to stop flip flopping on an almost daily basis and when big money encourages them to.
Yep. Fed up of the lot of it.

My interpretation of personal responsibility is managing your own risk. Hence football fans singing and hugging. More cautious people will be still avoiding crowds.

It doesn’t mean everyone carries on wearing masks and modifying their behaviour to protect the vulnerable.

Yes lockdown is an emergency response but the government keep having to use it because the rest of their strategy is useless. Even with vaccines, uncontrolled delta transmission will overwhelm the NHS. That's the sad truth.

It’s not a given that the NHS will overwhelmed if we peak in August.

Yes at best they’ll advise not to ie masks but it won’t be in legislation

Personal responsibility cannot be about managing your own risk, it must be about managing the collective risk. We live in social groups! It's not rocket science. We live in societies. Tories love all the individualism but that simply not how humans live. We don't live alone. We rely on each other for safety.

[quote Delatron]@SonnetForSpring

Oh I hadn’t seen the new ‘rolling lockdown’ strategy.

They are removing restrictions so that they get this wave out of the way now in summer. There is zero appetite from anyone in government to do another lockdown. It’s not a long term strategy.[/quote]
Yes to this

As Chris Whitty talked about

In a few weeks time when the cases are even higher it'll be blamed on lifting restrictions, especially masks, people will forget about all the mixing at Wimbledon and the football.

According to what some usually very pro boris scientists are saying today, we could be looking at a 3 more doublings and a peak of 4k hospitalizations a day. So although the nhs will get through it. Good luck with any other healthcare or retaining nhs staff. Or managing long covid consequences. Quality of life will lower for everyone because getting healthcare will be much more difficult than it already is.

Anyone seen the Netherlands figures since they lifted restrictions? Up 800%ish. Delta is a serious virus.

No one is going to telling you there will be another lockdown?! Whitty knows it though.

@SonnetForSpring

No one is going to telling you there will be another lockdown?! Whitty knows it though.

Which is why he said the opposite

I know people are very keen for lockdowns but Whitty isn’t saying one thing and thinking another

NL hospitalisation here for anyone feeling interested

coronadashboard.government.nl/landelijk/ziekenhuis-opnames

I don't follow? Whitty is not allowed to say anything about lockdowns. Boris isnt going to say anything about lockdowns. But delta is getting so out of control, it will take so long to get it back under control that lockdown will be the only way to deal with the winter demands.

Seriously, the rates have only just rocketed in NL this week so hospitalizations will. Ot be impacted yet.

@Delatron

Cases will rocket now. And we will allow them to. They won’t keep rocketing until Winter. They will peak and fall.

Is this something you have read or heard somewhere? Would be great if this wave peaked over summer rather than winter.

@SonnetForSpring

I don't follow? Whitty is not allowed to say anything about lockdowns. Boris isnt going to say anything about lockdowns. But delta is getting so out of control, it will take so long to get it back under control that lockdown will be the only way to deal with the winter demands.

No it will pass as it will peak with high level of immunity, that’s what Whitty is going for - did you listen to what he said?

I don’t get your point about what he can’t say, he did talk about it