Avoiding Covid testing and tracing...

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How prevalent do people think deliberately not getting tested when symptomatic is, or removing NHS app from phone is, as people try to avoid being caught in enforced isolation?

I'm thinking it's probably extremely high... and that case numbers are even more of the tip of the iceberg than was previously the case, especially as symptoms of Delta are less distinct.

I just don’t see the point of it now. It made sense in lockdown when there are few cases about. When it is just everywhere it’s just a waste of time. So why on earth sacrifice the kids education any more. They have missed out on enough.
If they had kept the borders closed whilst we all had to struggle with that third lockdown I would have been more willing to comply. But they chose to let the variants in with an open border while we weren’t supposed to be leaving our village.
I haven’t left the country since 2019. I have done my bit. So I am not interested anymore and will do everything on my power not to get caught out and my kids not miss out on anymore of their life.

@LIZS

Apparently with the post travel tests it is up to the individual to notify T and T of a positive result. I wonder how many do or assume it is automatic.

Is it? I phoned 119 after a pre departure positive and they said they would get the results eventually. Also testing company said results are passed to the NHS. I've had an email from the local authority Covid team asking me to fill out a form but still nothing from T & T with the code to do it!

The app is not fit for purpose. I can't afford to not go to work because my next door neighbour tests positive.
I've got my second jab next week, my DD and I LFT test twice weekly for my job and her school. We don't go to pubs or shops unless necessary. I would PCR test if any of us got symptoms.

wasthataburp

Booooringggg

Blind privileged stupidity in one comment.

I've never had any of the apps. When we got symptoms in January we tested. It was positive, and we isolated. But I'm not going to assume every sniffle is covid nor am I going to isolate if someone somewhere in a cafe at roughly the same time window as me has tested positive. No one I know could afford to do this either. It's ridiculous now.

I’ve deleted the app. We’ve been told at work that even if we get pinged we still come to work unless we have symptoms or a positive test (test daily).

I’m double jabbed and had Covid in January. It’s so unlikely I’d have it again.

@HighlandCowbag

I am avoiding any testing, apps and contact tracing. Most people I speak to are. Unless you need to access hospital or have symptoms and need to access school or want time off work, there is no benefit to the majority of individuals/families. Especially since the announcements re 19th July. And 80k at football, 100s in pubs, Wimbledon, ascot etc. No mitigation in schools and many work places.

Ds currently at home due to bubble bursting yesterday, 45 cases in dds comp last week. Yet local hospital has 2 covid patients, non on ventilation and both patients went in for non covid reasons.

Why would I test and potentially isolate us all plus close contacts? For something so harmful you may not know you have it or wonder if it's a cold? And vulnerable vaccinated?

It's not covid fatigue, it's people realising that covid is here to stay and acting accordingly.

Because you might just have a bit of a cold but the person unfortunate enough to sit near you on the bus, or stand by you in the queue at the supermarket might end up in hospital or worse.

@HighlandCowbag

I am avoiding any testing, apps and contact tracing. Most people I speak to are. Unless you need to access hospital or have symptoms and need to access school or want time off work, there is no benefit to the majority of individuals/families. Especially since the announcements re 19th July. And 80k at football, 100s in pubs, Wimbledon, ascot etc. No mitigation in schools and many work places.

Ds currently at home due to bubble bursting yesterday, 45 cases in dds comp last week. Yet local hospital has 2 covid patients, non on ventilation and both patients went in for non covid reasons.

Why would I test and potentially isolate us all plus close contacts? For something so harmful you may not know you have it or wonder if it's a cold? And vulnerable vaccinated?

It's not covid fatigue, it's people realising that covid is here to stay and acting accordingly.

I totally agree. Covid isn't going anywhere and we just need to learn to live with it.
I have deleted the app because I don't want to be pinged.

My DD is currently at home because her bubble burst but I absolutely refuse to keep her trapped inside the house for 10 days. We wouldn't blatantly mix with others, but we have been for isolated walks and to be honest, we will continue to do so. I'm pretty sure the compliance levels are dropping off.
Me and DH have had Covid, so our kids must have too.

So many school children are being kept off unnecessarily, some being sent home again within days of going back in. Impossible for working parents to sort out childcare etc too!

Halfshrubk why would they end up in hospital if they have been vaccinated? I tryey haven’t been vaccinated they are either young or a refuser. What is going to change on the 16th august when we no longer have to isolate?

@HalfShrunkMoreToGo we can't spend the rest of our lives being responsible for the health of the entire country. No one did it during flu season in the past and no one would do it for flu season now. This kind of guilt tripping narrative needs to stop.

Because you might just have a bit of a cold but the person unfortunate enough to sit near you on the bus, or stand by you in the queue at the supermarket might end up in hospital or worse.

You and your supporters pay those peoples rent/tv licence/utility bills.

I actually mean that.

Point us to the funds/charities/bursaries that are going to pay citizens bills.

Post the links here. Or create a new thread.

We'll wait.

Shit I deleted that app months ago, it wasn’t fit for purpose.

If it had been proven effective and not full of absolutely ridiculous bugs - such as someone getting zapped because their office is next to the place Ambulances park up, I kid you not, then I would have kept it of course.

I’ve not had covid, we don’t really socialise and my biggest risk is my supermarket trips, where I use a face mask and respect social distancing.

If I had symptoms I’d get a test and isolate.

I think most people are the same, they are managing their risk based on need. I NEED to work and leave the house and have my kids in nursery. I can’t live my life with the risk of isolating every other week when my actual approach to life is very low risk already.

Exactly Kurt. January had always been the busiest time for crematoriums because family gather with elderly, visit in their homes etc amd pass on viruses. I remember it happens with both of my grandparents when they were in homes. Yet never has anyone ever suggested people stop visiting should we pass on a virus. Respiratory viruses have always been accepted as a fact of life before now.

I think it's fairly prevalent and I don't blame people.
If I went by the rules 100% I would be getting a PCR test every day and have been isolating for the last month as I have long covid and a fever every single day!

I will now only get DS tested if a bubble bursts so that I can be happy to then take him out and about but in quiet outdoor places as he's already had covid and a toddler stuck in for 10 days with a negative test isn't worth it after 3 isolations it's just too much!

@PurpleHoodie what point are you trying to make?

You think that I should pay your bills because I believe that if you know you've been in contact with someone with Covid or you know you have Covid you shouldn't be willfully going about spreading the illness?

There is a balance that can be found between total lockdown and total free for all.

I think that anyone who tests positive or has been in close contact with someone who has tested positive should be supported to isolate. That we all have a moral obligation to not spread an illness that we know causes severe illness and death. That the government has a responsibility to financially support those who's income is impacted by self isolation.

I think that masks in indoor close contact spaces should stay so I'll be wearing mine regardless of what Boris says on Monday.

And yes to whoever it was who said it, you can get Covid even after being vaccinated and you can end up in hospital because of Covid even after being vaccinated and no not everyone who isn't vaccinated has chosen that stance, many are unable to be vaccinated due to health conditions.

Oh and stop the 'it's just the flu' comparisons, it isn't, scientists have repeatedly said it isn't the flu, it isn't like the flu, it's more transmissible, more impactful, more deadly.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/05/why-living-with-covid-would-not-be-the-same-as-flu

Half

No. I get 100% pay regardless.

You have to ask that question to the #UKExcluded MNetters and #UKExcluded non-MNetters.

You think that I should pay your bills because I believe that if you know you've been in contact with someone with Covid or you know you have Covid you shouldn't be willfully going about spreading the illness?

Your question.

I and my colleagues worked throughout.

[quote HalfShrunkMoreToGo]@PurpleHoodie what point are you trying to make?

You think that I should pay your bills because I believe that if you know you've been in contact with someone with Covid or you know you have Covid you shouldn't be willfully going about spreading the illness?

There is a balance that can be found between total lockdown and total free for all.

I think that anyone who tests positive or has been in close contact with someone who has tested positive should be supported to isolate. That we all have a moral obligation to not spread an illness that we know causes severe illness and death. That the government has a responsibility to financially support those who's income is impacted by self isolation.

I think that masks in indoor close contact spaces should stay so I'll be wearing mine regardless of what Boris says on Monday.

And yes to whoever it was who said it, you can get Covid even after being vaccinated and you can end up in hospital because of Covid even after being vaccinated and no not everyone who isn't vaccinated has chosen that stance, many are unable to be vaccinated due to health conditions.

Oh and stop the 'it's just the flu' comparisons, it isn't, scientists have repeatedly said it isn't the flu, it isn't like the flu, it's more transmissible, more impactful, more deadly.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/05/why-living-with-covid-would-not-be-the-same-as-flu

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But the government are not financially supporting most people who have to isolate. So until they do, people will ignore the app and go to work and I don't blame them.

We were exposed to covid + people dur to the nature of our job. I never did cry about it. I still don't.

But you, and your type crack on eh.

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That x-post comment was obviously not for you Waxon.

Your posts this year have been brilliantly spot on.

I never downloaded the app. Its bad enough having the bubbles burst without adding neighbours with covid and getting pinged. I've got 2 kids at 2 different schools and already had ti deal with calling into work to rearrange shifts several times. I've lost alot of the hours I was meant to do and as it's merely SI for the child as long as neither are symptomatic I can still work so I have no reason really to be off so I really feel like I'm.taking the piss I hate it.

All the people whonare criticising everyone else are not exactly queuing up to pay the bills , do shopping, walk dogs, and do the school runs fir 10 days are they.

We do the LF testing but that's all self reported so what's the point?

In fact alot if this is completely reliant on being honest and inputimg the data registering tests with the correct results etc.

Honestly at times it feels you are the only one doing anything to your own detriment and the world is just carrying on around you.

Half my customers at work couldn't give a crap anymore. If you try and get them to wear a mask you spend longer arguing with them than it would take to just serve them and have them.leave.

There's bugger all back.up fir much of this stuff and you aren't paid extra to enforce it

Adding a cultural point here.

Not everyone has (or will have) access to computer device to "Download the App".

This will include relatively wealthy people who are not allowed - or have been restricted to - such devices due to all manner of reasons.

I suspect there may be more of us who never downloaded the app in the first place than have deleted it.

@PurpleHoodie

That x-post comment was obviously not for you Waxon.

Your posts this year have been brilliantly spot on.

Thank you! That's very nice of you to say, appreciate it.