What's happening in China now?

[Charley198]

Just curious if anyone has any knowledge... I see they have barely any cases or deaths anymore.
With such a huge population how's this achievable? Or are their figures just not reported?

@Bythemillpond

Whoarethewho

China has handled this well. They enforced the rules and controlled the virus

How do you work that out.

If they had controlled the virus we wouldn’t be here 18 months later and dealing with the fallout
China did the exact opposite of controlling the virus until it was too late

I agree people seem quick to skip over this part to condemn those who suffered from what happened due to it

I am fine with using phrases like "bad guy" to describe states that are committing, like, actual genocide.

@Bythemillpond

Whoarethewho

China has handled this well. They enforced the rules and controlled the virus

How do you work that out.

If they had controlled the virus we wouldn’t be here 18 months later and dealing with the fallout
China did the exact opposite of controlling the virus until it was too late

If the rest of the world had acted when China did admit they had a problem then we wouldn’t be here either.

The fact that the Chinese government hid a problem and silenced whistleblowers doesn’t absolve the rest of the world of the catastrophic balls up that came next.

Chinese people were previously called “sick man of the east Asia” and looked upon by many. Therefore Chinese people cared about improving life more than other things (eg. Free speech etc.). They worked extremely hard and as it turns out, their living standards have improved dramatically over the past 3 decades. People are motivated to work hard to live a better life - we can buy good value for money Chinese goods because of that.

Living standards have improved in every Asian country since WWII. It is not some unique Chinese thing. China might not still be in the middle income bloc if it hadn't wasted a generation on Maoism, famine, the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution.

This is not right. China has done well as a country. Its people have done everything they can to stop the spread. The CCP is a different matter, but the CCP is not China.

Let's not forget the Kent variant which swept the world from the UK well in to the pandemic. Because we kept our borders open, despite sensible island countries closing theirs.

Make sure your not living in a glass house and all that.

Please stop demonising am entire country.

I said "state." I AM talking about the CCP.

I don't need to be told that there are many many wonderful people in China. I've met many of them in person.

CCp are made up of real people and chinese, but hey ho.

Anyone know what the situation is like in factories?
I keep hearing that supplies[building supplies in particular] are in short supply and "lots come from china dont you know, so that is why there is a shortage in the building trade of a b and c"
but according to this thread "China is back to normal".

Uk identified the Kent variant first, does not mean the variant firstly appeared here. There are reports that many people had covid before the first case was officially reported.

For example, the man travelling from Rome in Sep 19 is likely to be patient zero in the uk:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8955733/Bricklayer-hospitalised-Rome-holiday-September-2019-says-Britains-Covid-case.html

The fact that the Chinese government hid a problem and silenced whistleblowers doesn’t absolve the rest of the world of the catastrophic balls up that came next

I think the problem stems from the fact that even when China admitted there was a problem you had the WHO stating on I think it was January 23rd 2020 that the virus hadn’t left China.

By the time they admitted it had left China and was out in the world it was already too late. The virus had a foothold and had been spreading out side of China since at least December 2019.

Whether we had locked down a week earlier or not at all the devastation to come was on the cards. It was too late.

Places like NZ and Australia might look like they have controlled it but I think it is Australia I was reading about that they are so far behind with their vaccine programme they will never be able to open up as the boosters need doing every 3 months and to get everyone vaccinated is going to take till next summer.
Dh has already been asked back to have his booster vaccine in September.

It's quite possible to separate an oppressed and politically colonised people from the dictatorship ruling them.

I recommend a dose of Frank Dikötter for the wumao dang and other stooges, battering away on their keyboards, on this sub and other socials, for the past year.

I think we are well aware that these issues stem from the government and not the average individual citizens

@NannyAndJohn

We haven't heard a peep from China for an entire year because their government has actually managed to control Covid.

Oh what? That’s my mistake, I thought they let it spread to the rest of the world?

We are never going to know because they lie. As evidenced by Wuhan when it first started

Uk identified the Kent variant first, does not mean the variant firstly appeared here

And the same is true of Wuhan/China. This article was an interesting read about how they’ve been searching for patient zero and not managed to get very far. Wuhan hosted (international) Military Games and a couple of other big events before the outbreak of covid. I’m guessing it’s simply not going to be possible to track it absolutely definitively.

www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?next_url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washingtonpost.com%2fworld%2fasia_pacific%2fcovid-pandemic-origin-wuhan-lab%2f2021%2f07%2f07%2f41fbbf9e-d560-11eb-b39f-05a2d776b1f4_story.html

[quote Cornettoninja]Uk identified the Kent variant first, does not mean the variant firstly appeared here

And the same is true of Wuhan/China. This article was an interesting read about how they’ve been searching for patient zero and not managed to get very far. Wuhan hosted (international) Military Games and a couple of other big events before the outbreak of covid. I’m guessing it’s simply not going to be possible to track it absolutely definitively.

www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?next_url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washingtonpost.com%2fworld%2fasia_pacific%2fcovid-pandemic-origin-wuhan-lab%2f2021%2f07%2f07%2f41fbbf9e-d560-11eb-b39f-05a2d776b1f4_story.html[/quote]
If this is the case and it travelled in then wouldn’t it be evident in clusters and data / hospitalisations in another country?

It’s unlikely patient zero happened to leave their country on the day or soon after they first got it.

Seems far fetched to me. Clutching at straws a bit.

@MarshaBradyo from the article linked:

Three days before Patient S01’s symptoms began, on Dec. 5, 2019, an oral swab was taken from a 4-year-old boy outside of Milan who was suspected of having measles. Months later, it tested positive for coronavirus RN

Patient S01 = the official patient zero.

What does that have to do with Wuhan not being origin?

It was likely there before Dec why not?

Clusters wouldn’t necessarily be evident dependent on disease mutation and exponential growth combined.

Just because they have this swab how does that discount the countless swabs not taken in Wuhan?

@Cornettoninja

Clusters wouldn’t necessarily be evident dependent on disease mutation and exponential growth combined.

So we only noticed it in Wuhan first because the real origin didn’t see the same growth?

Why didn’t they?

Alpha variant developed in an immunocompromised patient with a chronic covid infection in the east of England region didn’t it? I think it’s one of the very few things we are certain of.

Not to mention SARS originating from same country / likely same method

People seem very keen to avoid looking at the obvious. Strange.

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

Alpha variant developed in an immunocompromised patient with a chronic covid infection in the east of England region didn’t it? I think it’s one of the very few things we are certain of.

Can you link to anything with location of patient?

I thought it a working theory on how it arose

@MarshaBradyo

Not to mention SARS originating from same country / likely same method

People seem very keen to avoid looking at the obvious. Strange.

And Hong Kong flu , Asian flu and Mers the others killed kids too but yer it is fine this is the 5th virus to come from China

Back off a bit @marshabradyo, I never claimed to be on the team investigating the origins of covid, I’m just making the point that Wuhan is where it was first identified, that doesn’t mean it’s where it originated. It’s a big city.

We’ve seen enough variants emerge recently that it’s plausible covid has already been in circulation presenting as a much milder disease or one that wasn’t as transmissible that didn’t attract attention.

Why would I need to clutch at straws? It makes no odds to me where covid came from I just think it’s interesting to note that just because something is identified somewhere doesn’t mean that’s where it originated.