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Make Self isolating changes on the 19th July not 16th August?

36 replies

Tatapie · 07/07/2021 08:17

July 19th is hardly Freedom Day if you've still got to isolate if in close contact with a positive case!
Plus cases are rising and will continue to do so with the easing of restrictions.
Why are we waiting for August 16th? AIBU to want these changes brought in on the same day as the others?

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User5827372728 · 07/07/2021 08:24

I guess we are waiting for more people can get their first jab and their second jab

RuggerHug · 07/07/2021 08:25

Because more people need to be fully vaccinated.

walkoflifewoohoo · 07/07/2021 08:32

"Why are we waiting for August 16th?"

There's this thing called a "vaccine", not everyone has had chance to have it yet.

walkoflifewoohoo · 07/07/2021 08:33

There's also something called a coronavirus board so yes YABU

Youdiditanyway · 07/07/2021 08:34

I’m under 30 so can’t have my next vaccine for at least another 4 weeks and that’s considered early but in my area they are giving them to anyone 8 weeks after the first. It’s purely to ensure as many people are fully vaccinated as possible.

Youdiditanyway · 07/07/2021 08:35

Also will say that even those who aren’t vaccinated won’t isolate. I’ve seen the comments from anti-vaxxers on my local community Facebook, they call everyone who is vaccinated ‘sheeple’ and there’s just no way you’d ever get them to isolate.

Sciurus83 · 07/07/2021 08:37

Being pregnant, in the area with highest cases and only had first jab I really appreciate those extra few weeks. It's to get more people vaccinated. I mean bully for you and your Freedom Day Hmm though hey

RuggerHug · 07/07/2021 08:41

Also YABU to use the expression freedom day. This isn't over until vaccines are worldwide so Boris doesn't get to say it's all over and it goes away. Manage your expectations better, because if a few more weeks of not infecting other people seemed tough you're going to have surprises ahead unless you wise up.

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Tatapie · 07/07/2021 08:41

Wonder what the percentages are?
Is it so it's fairer on those who aren't yet double jabbed? You've still got to wait two weeks after the second jab for the rule to come into affect. And children won't be vaccinated at all so they're benefiting individually by this delay. Or is it just that more people vaccinated= less transmission so that's better for everyone ? Just trying to understand the rationale and date!

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Freckers · 07/07/2021 08:43

Can see both sides of this.

We had around 30 of 220 people out of work last week isolating. Once more things open up it's scary to think what number that could be and the effect that could have on smaller businesses.

On the other hand, perhaps they want more people isolating to stop the transmission for a bit longer as they were unsure whether the 19th July was correct for a freedom day.

BendingSpoons · 07/07/2021 08:43

Makes no odds to me, too young to be fully vaccinated! I'm really irritated by all this talk of quarantine free travel. By the time we are fully vaccinated and wait the 2 weeks for protection to build, the school holidays will be almost finished.

I can see things feel very different for the people lucky enough to have been vaccinated early.

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Tatapie · 07/07/2021 08:43

Wow such vitriol! Freedom Day is not my expression, it's the PMs and I'm trying to understand. I'm in no hurry to get back to "normal" although I would desperately like children to have stop isolating and would prefer they could do this sooner.

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RuggerHug · 07/07/2021 08:46

@Tatapie

Wow such vitriol! Freedom Day is not my expression, it's the PMs and I'm trying to understand. I'm in no hurry to get back to "normal" although I would desperately like children to have stop isolating and would prefer they could do this sooner.
Oh I know it's his branding/spin on it but it's beyond pointless and is just damaging to any sensible conversation about it all.
Sciurus83 · 07/07/2021 08:49

Everyone wants that. A few weeks means more of the population is double vaccinated. Close contact where you KNOW there's a high chance of transmission is the highest risk route so it makes sense to release that one last when more people are safe

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Tatapie · 07/07/2021 08:55

Thanks all, IABU!

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Northofsomewhere · 07/07/2021 08:58

If you're reason for making this thread is because you don't want children to have to isolate anymore due to missing school then the difference between July 19th and August 16th is negligible. They will mostly be on holiday during this period.

I'm on my last day of a 10 day isolation today and will hopefully be going to a walk in for my second jab tomorrow as I'll be exactly 4 weeks post first jab. I still expect to isolate if need be, I would hate to potentially transmit it to my pregnant coworker who has so far not had the jab and doesn't want it until at least several months post-baby. I might not agree with her choice (the evidence suggests the vaccine is save in pregnancy) particularly post-baby but it doesn't mean I don't want to protect her.

I understand people's concerns regarding small businesses but it's clear with rising case numbers that our current vaccination levels aren't enough. I'd also like to see masks continue in shops until August at least. I work in a supermarket and people seem to have dumped them already, this is also where I received my notification from.

ForeverSausages · 07/07/2021 08:58

I'm going to guess you're double vaccinated? Plenty of younger people aren't yet.

HomerSimpsonsDonut · 07/07/2021 08:58

There doesn't seem to be any point being double-jabbed (I got my second one yesterday and wondering why I actually got it if we are still going to be forced to isolate etc).
We need to be getting on with life now and accept that covid isn't going anyway any time soon.

Skybluepinkgiraffe · 07/07/2021 09:02

We've been talking about this. Cases are rising fast. They'll rise faster when measures are lifted. With isolation still being required, it seems to us that many, many more people will be unable to work, and there'll be even more chaos. It would seem more logical to lift measures and stop with the isolation at the same time.
I guess only time will tell.

Exhausteddog · 07/07/2021 09:04

Can see both sides of this.

We had around 30 of 220 people out of work last week isolating. Once more things open up it's scary to think what number that could be and the effect that could have on smaller businesses.

On the other hand, perhaps theywantmore people isolating to stop the transmission for a bit longer as they were unsure whether the 19th July was correct for a freedom day.

I am concerned about this. Me and DH have our own business and would obviously need to close if one (or both) of us tested positive or had to isolate from a close contact. (We can only do limited work at home)
Allowing everything to open but acknowledging lots of people will be infected (and thus they and close contacts need to isolate) will mean businesses may struggle with lack of available staff (and the knock on effect from suppliers or associated businesses suffering the same) but as everything is now "normal", grants or any financial help will no longer be available.

noblegiraffe · 07/07/2021 09:06

The Guardian reported that modelling showed cases 25% higher if they removed self-isolation rules from 19th July instead of August.

Skybluepinkgiraffe · 07/07/2021 09:24

@noblegiraffe in what way? Total of 25% of all cases so far? Or per day from now? I don't understand any of it really.
It all seems so conflicting and contradictory. If it is so important to get everyone vaccinated before isolation rules are lifted,it would seem more sensible to leave restrictions in place till the same time.
I wonder how the current plan is going to do anything other than cause chaos.

noblegiraffe · 07/07/2021 09:32

It's not clear, it was from this article www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/06/data-predicting-2m-uk-summer-covid-cases-prompts-health-fears

I guess per day cases is what they're modelling.

There'd also be pushback if double vaccinated people didn't have to self-isolate at a point where a lot of adults hadn't had the opportunity to be double vaccinated.

Iggly · 07/07/2021 09:35

My worry is that this government is so narrow minded - being over 40 themselves and more likely they’ve all been”double jabbed” but loads of us under that age are not!!

Plus plenty of people are not protected at all despite being jabbed and being double jabbed does not guarantee full protection.

As a result, I’m reducing my socialising until I get both jabs.

I swear this government runs things as if it’s an election tomorrow instead of doing a decent fucking job. Which means being unpopular at times.

ChainJane · 07/07/2021 09:37

Frankly any delay in easing the restrictions is a good thing. "The Summer of Death" isn't anything to look forward too.

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