We need to vaccinate 12+

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… over the summer! If we want any sort of ‘normality’ in winter we need to get the 12+ age range vaccinated.

As the cases are rising amongst the young un-vaccinated I did think the government might use this period of time to vaccinate the young before schools open again.

Very confused by this free for all. Especially over the summer holidays.

I’ll still be wearing masks as fully vaxxed. I think they could have opened up but people wear masks.

@Angel2702

Vaccinating older kids is not about them being seriously ill from the virus it’s about stopping the constant disruption to education, parents working, being able to book and plan things in advance, not missing exams. The effect on mental health of living in constant fear of isolation is damaging enough.

They no longer need to isolate after next month so there will be no fear of isolation for them to have

No only the person with covid will have to isolate in September (was mentioned on news this morning)

There are many parents, including myself, that are not comfortable vaccinating thier kids just yet.

Then there are primary school kids - my son On second lot of isolation.

Whole year / classes having to isolate will end.

@Quartz2208

This is a tricky one ethically though.

First off the US does do the over 12s there is some push back with the CDC (particularly with a 13 year old dying after the vaccine) but the CDC still believe it is worth the risk - but it is important to remember that the US has far lower uptake than us in the higher age ranges and far more supply so that decision makes sense.

Personally the over 12 CEV for me should be prioritised now and vaccinated. Then it is for me a tricky choice and one that we do need to balance the risks of COVID against the risks of vaccination (particularly for young boys/men) and take it from there.

Which I suspect is what the JCVI (an independent body made up of Scientists) is doing. For now given the supply with have I can see why. Then it becomes a balance between boosters/children/rest of the world

and @QwertyGirly where do you get 2 under 18s from. The NHS England data shows 3 under 18s in the past month

Do you think the CDC is more ‘faceless’ in a way?

I just could see the huge backlash if we had a vaccine death for a child here.

I’m not pushing for either way. Fine for JCVI to decide this just stood out in your post.

I also wonder when CEV 12 plus might be prioritised. I know 16 year olds have had it but not sure how hard it is for 12 plus to have it based on consultant advice.

I expect the only reason there isn't a plan to vaccinate under 18s is that there isn't sufficient Pfizer to do it at this time. The advice frequently reflects logistics as opposed to science if you look back.

For example, the correct level of PPE in healthcare settings and masks weren't "obligatory" at the outset for no other reason than because we simply didn't have enough. It was presented as being based on some sort of advice but that advice didn't exist. A bit like the necessary PPE.

Similarly it's clear that opening things up is nuts but the economy is the priority. It's logistics not science.

Sockmonster - obviously though that article is about usa and so is questioning 0-12 not 12+. As they afe already doing that.
So in usa they havent got a huge surge going on. Interesting re the obvious risks of childhood obesity as i cant imagine many parents in uk being happy for their 0-12 to be offered it because they are overweight (as a lot of parent dont believe it is true following the yr r/Y6 weighings by the school.
I just feel it's not all about death. Im glad my parents and i are vaxxed but i also am unhappy at the numbers of kids who have/will have long covid.

So in some ways i think vaxxing even young kids is important -stop the spread, stop the long covid. Above giving anyone a third dose (Possibly immunocompromised as an exception.)
I dont think people can complain about taking a vax also for herd immunity. Lots of women are likely benefitting from it for rubella etc if their own jab didnt work.
If covid causes your kid to get t1 diabetes that them yanks them into cv and unable to access a vax....

I think it's interesting that Liz Truss a few weeks ago was saying that JCVI wouldn't recommend vaccines for kids and that a decision would be made imminently and yet they didn't.

I think people on the JCVI who are against vaccinating kids (one, vocally on twitter, who is a sociologist) are trying to make it sound like it's a done deal whereas actually internally there is a lot more debate and it's not settled.

I hope the survey the other day that shown majority of parents wants their children vaccinated will sway the decision.

The plan to not have any protections for them in school from
September may also factor. I do hope it is, at a minimum, offered to CEV children.

@Quartz2208 uk data dashboard by age group:

It's from 1st July, so I shouldn't have said 'yesterday' I should have said 1st July. It was published yesterday which is why I got confused.

IT's hard to see but the data for 1st July shows in orange the age group 10 to 19 years old.

Data dashboard uk has all this data and a lot more.

Are you aware of the link between the vaccine and myocarditis in young males? Do you think the Covid risk to their health outweighs that of taking the vaccine?

Sorry it’s a DM link but not this isn’t being talked about much elsewhere: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9719891/Inventor-mRNA-vaccines-says-young-adults-teens-not-forced-COVID-vaccine.html#article-9719891

It's very funny how 'personal responsibility' doesn't extend to deciding whether or not to let your child have a vaccine.

Personally I want to do it, the children over 12 in our family in the US are getting their vaccines. It's obvious that they give more of a shit about kids over there anyway given the mitigations in schools (ventilation for a start) .

It's very unfair on families not to have the choice of vaccinating or not while simultaneously making classrooms in state schools covid breeding grounds with no ventilation, no masks, no other mitigations.

@MarshaBradyo possibly - I am not sure of the uptake either in terms of the over 12s.

I will say though it is being investigated as a possible reaction not that it was.

The US are starting to see an upsurge

The benefit to my DC does not outweigh the risk. My dc won't be being vaxxed, especially as DD is only 12 and nat want children of her own and I'm not convinced about the side effects especially with the heavy period stories.

Children have been asked so much this past 14 months and shouldn't be asked to give any more to protect adults. It should be other ways round.

I'll be binning my mask on 19 July.

Also I think it is morally and ethically horrific to vaxx our extremely low risk children when many countries have millions of vulnerable older adults needing vaccinating. Talk about first world privilege!!!

Are you aware of the link between the vaccine and myocarditis in young males? Do you think the Covid risk to their health outweighs that of taking the vaccine?

The JCVI's job is to look into this stuff, so their report will be worth reading (a Daily Mail article is not, they are notoriously poor at science reporting).

@donaldbump

I think we need to make sure vulnerable adults in the rest of the world have access to the vaccine now. This should have happened months ago imo

100%

A bit of a contradiction here maybe

'Children have been asked so much this past 14 months and shouldn't be asked to give any more to protect adults. It should be other ways round. I'll be binning my mask on 19 July.' Maybe as the adult you should be keeping your mask on to protect children, no?

@Wellbythebloodyhell they have far more chance of catching it now and that means ten days isolating when they do. Which could be in the middle of exams, holiday etc so removing contact isolation only increases chance of isolating because they have it. And with 3 unvaccinated children in the house means 30 days of isolating, 30 days unpaid at work and goodness knows what they will miss in that time.

At least if they had the choice to be vaccinated or not with the daily testing instead of isolating they stand a strong chance of staying in school because they will be less likely to get a positive at all.

@QwertyGirly

A bit of a contradiction here maybe

'Children have been asked so much this past 14 months and shouldn't be asked to give any more to protect adults. It should be other ways round. I'll be binning my mask on 19 July.' Maybe as the adult you should be keeping your mask on to protect children, no?

@noblegiraffe

Are you aware of the link between the vaccine and myocarditis in young males? Do you think the Covid risk to their health outweighs that of taking the vaccine?

The JCVI's job is to look into this stuff, so their report will be worth reading (a Daily Mail article is not, they are notoriously poor at science reporting).

Does that mean we should ignore it completely? A quote from the article says:

“A CDC advisory group said there is a 'likely link' between rare cases of heart inflammation in that age group and the COVID-19 vaccine.”

To be clear, the age group is 18-22 but still relevant I think.

[quote Quartz2208]@MarshaBradyo possibly - I am not sure of the uptake either in terms of the over 12s.

I will say though it is being investigated as a possible reaction not that it was.

The US are starting to see an upsurge[/quote]
Oh I see. Maybe waiting for the outcome of the investigation is part of the decision making. No idea really but possibly.

Does that mean we should ignore it completely?

Who is 'we'?

People who want to make the best decision for their children…