Let's face it, they're letting it rip.

[ZednotZee]

Aren't they?

The vaccines aren't seemingly preventing transmission.

We are opening up on the 19th.

This is being done presumably as the public appetite for further lockdowns will be nil come October/November so best to get it over with now and have heard immunity come the autumn.

They won't say it but its becoming very clear that the immunocompromised need to continue to shield til the rest of us have contracted and got over the infection.

Some of you are talking as if this is new. This isn't going to change no matter when we change restrictions so we either lockdown forever or get on with it. They've obviously decided on the latter thank god!!

This hideous virus is no ones fault and it seems it can't be beaten so it's basically tough and the sooner people realise that the better.

@theemperorhasnoclothes

I expect the next thing will be to stop testing and publishing data.

This might be best for everyone tbh!!

The pattern is: cases rise. Lockdown. The minute you open up, cases shoot up (this isn’t a good thing). And repeat.

Now every country is different with different demographics etc. However, certain areas such as Florida, where they did away with most restrictions last year, had an initial surge then no lockdowns have actually fared ok. You’re going to have cases bubbling away but none of the peaks and troughs.

We suppressed alpha so much that delta become the dominant strain when we opened up? We suppressed original Covid (which was by far a better one to deal with!) then the alpha strain took off. I’m no expert but repeated lockdowns and opening up isn’t really working well. Other than relieving the pressure on the NHS. At some point you have to try something else.

You're just making yourself look silly now

Says you, which means absolutely nothing. Last word Annie!

@lifehappened

Some of you are talking as if this is new. This isn't going to change no matter when we change restrictions so we either lockdown forever or get on with it. They've obviously decided on the latter thank god!!

This hideous virus is no ones fault and it seems it can't be beaten so it's basically tough and the sooner people realise that the better.

Exactly

@Delatron

The pattern is: cases rise. Lockdown. The minute you open up, cases shoot up (this isn’t a good thing). And repeat.

Now every country is different with different demographics etc. However, certain areas such as Florida, where they did away with most restrictions last year, had an initial surge then no lockdowns have actually fared ok. You’re going to have cases bubbling away but none of the peaks and troughs.

We suppressed alpha so much that delta become the dominant strain when we opened up? We suppressed original Covid (which was by far a better one to deal with!) then the alpha strain took off. I’m no expert but repeated lockdowns and opening up isn’t really working well. Other than relieving the pressure on the NHS. At some point you have to try something else.

Another great post

This is part of the problem.

We can't keep locking down every time cases go up, just because we might get a new evil variant.

Otherwise we will be stuck in that cycle for years whilst the rest of the world vaccinates and even then we might find thats the moment that another vaccine resistant variant pops up.

Is that viable?

At some point you have to draw a line and get on with it one way or another.

@RedToothBrush

This is part of the problem.

We can't keep locking down every time cases go up, just because we might get a new evil variant.

Otherwise we will be stuck in that cycle for years whilst the rest of the world vaccinates and even then we might find thats the moment that another vaccine resistant variant pops up.

Is that viable?

At some point you have to draw a line and get on with it one way or another.

Yes and luckily most of us understands this.

@RedToothBrush

This is part of the problem.

We can't keep locking down every time cases go up, just because we might get a new evil variant.

Otherwise we will be stuck in that cycle for years whilst the rest of the world vaccinates and even then we might find thats the moment that another vaccine resistant variant pops up.

Is that viable?

At some point you have to draw a line and get on with it one way or another.

@RedToothBrush

I genuinely think some people want permanent lockdown. It really suits some people.

I find it ironic that those who talk about how ‘selfish’ those are for wanting to open up, couldn’t seem to care about the mental health implications of most people.

They try to use emotive topics and language but it still comes down to the same fact, covid is going no where, ever despite out best efforts.

They can’t seem to grasp the concept that whether we open up now, 2,3,4,6 months there will still be lives lost to this.

Yes and luckily most of us understands this

Still there appears to be an awful lot that just can’t grasp that concept. They just want lockdown permanently forever no way of ever opening up….

I genuinely think some people want permanent lockdown. It really suits some people.

@TableFlowerss
I've not seen anyone asking for lockdown - not one person. People are asking for simple precautionary measures like masks to stay in place. That's all.

We're not currently locked down.

Surely if it lets rip - as it surely will - we'll be in a worse state and will then have to lockdown. This is what most people posting here and on Twitter etc - journalists and scientists etc are wanting to avoid. None of them are asking for more lock downs. They're wanting to avoid the chaos that will lead to another one.

@Dustyboots

I genuinely think some people want permanent lockdown. It really suits some people.

@TableFlowerss
I've not seen anyone asking for lockdown - not one person. People are asking for simple precautionary measures like masks to stay in place. That's all.

But they can’t dictate what other people do. No one is stopping anyone wearing a mask if they wish but you can’t enforce it on others.

Some people may just be referring to masks but others aren’t, they want to see 1 metre rule stay, schools to be kept closed, to be allowed to still work from home etc…

People don’t have to go to nightclubs, packed pubs, restaurants etc… if they want to stay away then that’s their choice but again they can’t dictate what the rest of the population does. The vaccines in place now so it’s time to open up

@Dustyboots

We're not currently locked down.

Surely if it lets rip - as it surely will - we'll be in a worse state and will then have to lockdown. This is what most people posting here and on Twitter etc - journalists and scientists etc are wanting to avoid. None of them are asking for more lock downs. They're wanting to avoid the chaos that will lead to another one.

Exactly. It doesn’t matter how long you keep restrictions in place, as soon as you start to lift them, the numbers will go up.

Now people are allowed to mix in doors with other people the cases are rising so it goes back to the same point, as soon as you start lifting restrictions the numbers rise.

That is never going to chance, whether it’s done now or in 6 months…. It would be exactly the same problem then

Okay...

@TableFlowerss I'm not sure what your stance is on this as I don't have a habit of memorising posters or looking them up, as other do.

What do you think about those who've chosen not to vaccinate? Do you believe that others can't dictate what they choose to do? Are you wanting to enforce vaccination on others?

Because I admire your stance on respecting individual choice etc but that has to work in a myriad of ways.

That is never going to chance, whether it’s done now or in 6 months…. It would be exactly the same problem then

Nope it won't be the same problem in 6 months time. In 6 months time we will be in depth if winter with a likely bad flu season and lots of other respitory illnesses associated with winter .

If actual science had been allowed into the public domain during all this, many more people might actually be pleased about the end of restrictions!

Natural immunity acquired by large portions of the population will actually help protect against variants! Natural infection allows for multiple barriers to develop against multiple parts of the sars-cov2 virus, not just the recognition of the spike protein focused on by the vaccines. Viruses will always mutate no matter what any human does but in allowing milder versions to spread amongst otherwise healthy populations while the vulnerable have already been protected by vaccine will ensure that wide scale immunity to variants continues. There are actually some scientists that advocate against vaccinating into the middle of a pandemic for fear of creating vaccine resistant strains.

However, once again we must only listen to the doomsday sage scientists who make predictions that are still yet to come to fruition. And any alternative scientific view is quickly labelled as conspiracy.

I don’t know what is going on in the msm at the moment but the tone is worrying. It looks very much like they are gearing up to reverse the decision by scaring the public once again about truly opening up and then another lockdown will be more readily accepted.

Pisses me off so much that so many people are being so manipulated.

Ok, I didn’t want to be vaccinated. Really I didn’t because I didn’t feel the positives outweighed the negative considering my chances of getting ill with covid.

Begrudgingly I decided to have it. Believe me, it wasn’t to protect myself, it was because I knew if I didn’t, then there might be restrictions placed on what was available. I decided to get vaccinated.

I don’t think anyone should be forced to have the vaccine, however if enough adults decide not to, then I wouldn’t be against restrictions on places they can/can’t go.

If they want to go to on a plane then they’ll have to show they’ve been vaccinated. No one is forcing them, but they can’t have it both ways.

Hopefully it won’t come to that but if it does then that’s fair enough imo

@Wakeupin2022

That is never going to chance, whether it’s done now or in 6 months…. It would be exactly the same problem then

Nope it won't be the same problem in 6 months time. In 6 months time we will be in depth if winter with a likely bad flu season and lots of other respitory illnesses associated with winter .

True - that’s why it’s better to do it now

@Lostinacloud

If actual science had been allowed into the public domain during all this, many more people might actually be pleased about the end of restrictions!

Natural immunity acquired by large portions of the population will actually help protect against variants! Natural infection allows for multiple barriers to develop against multiple parts of the sars-cov2 virus, not just the recognition of the spike protein focused on by the vaccines. Viruses will always mutate no matter what any human does but in allowing milder versions to spread amongst otherwise healthy populations while the vulnerable have already been protected by vaccine will ensure that wide scale immunity to variants continues. There are actually some scientists that advocate against vaccinating into the middle of a pandemic for fear of creating vaccine resistant strains.

However, once again we must only listen to the doomsday sage scientists who make predictions that are still yet to come to fruition. And any alternative scientific view is quickly labelled as conspiracy.

I don’t know what is going on in the msm at the moment but the tone is worrying. It looks very much like they are gearing up to reverse the decision by scaring the public once again about truly opening up and then another lockdown will be more readily accepted.

Pisses me off so much that so many people are being so manipulated.

**I don’t know what is going on in the msm at the moment but the tone is worrying. It looks very much like they are gearing up to reverse the decision by scaring the public once again about truly opening up and then another lockdown will be more readily accepted.

Pisses me off so much that so many people are being so manipulated**

I can’t disagree.

I don't understand. The ONS report published today states that around 89% of adults in the UK had antibodies to coronavirus. Then why are so many adults testing positive for Covid and why are many hospitals filling up with Covid patients again?

[quote MercyBooth]@DontDoThatGeorge A supermarket worker didnt choose to work in the NHS so didnt choose a career where mask wearing was likely. And its supermarket workers who have made sure shelves are filled so everyone can buy food including NHS workers. In fact they were prioritized by the supermarket workers you look down on.[/quote]
Yep.

@QwertyGirly

I don't understand. The ONS report published today states that around 89% of adults in the UK had antibodies to coronavirus. Then why are so many adults testing positive for Covid and why are many hospitals filling up with Covid patients again?

Because vaccines are not 100% effective at stopping you getting the virus

Vaccines reduce your risk of getting it, and having serious outcomes.

Not all people are vaccinated / have antibodies still so are more at risk

And because underlying conditions mean that for some the vaccine isn't enough to stop them getting very ill or dying anyway.

Hospitals are not filling up with covid patients again. There is an increase in covid patients but they still only represent a small percentage of those being admitted to hospital now because the vaccine is doing its job.

@RedToothBrush not true. Some hospitals, especially in Scotland, are at or near full capacity. All non-urgent elective surgery have been cancelled and Outpatient activity - with the exception of cancer, urgent and some other activities - has also been cancelled in quite a few hospitals now.

And with cases doubling every 9 days, we're not that far off having loads more hospitals having to take similar measures.